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Coldwater Guppies?

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By GuppyNoobie, Section Ask Guppylog
Posted on Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 12:25:53 PM PST
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Is there such a thing? I didnt think there were but i recently bought three 'coldwater' guppies from my LFS.



I was a little skeptical as i had never heard of these fish before. And all other coldwater guppies i bought from there died after a week. Also one of the new lot died too. Can you get coldwater fish or have they lied? The two remaining fish seem healthy and they're currently in a tank at 20 degrees 68 farenheit i think. Should i move them to my tropical tank, would the shock kill them. Also the tropical tank is a little overcrowded as i just got a batch of baby platies. THANK
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Coldwater Guppies? | 13 comments (13 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
I dont have a heater (none / 0) (#5)
by GuppyNoobie on Fri Oct 31, 2003 at 12:24:36 PM PST

in the coldwater tank i was sure i didnt need one so i cant raise the temperature! As for woolworths in history books!! theyre everywhere didnt know they sold fish tho. The guppies seem ok they have a gravid spot but they dont look pregnant to me they havent grown at all. But i have read somewhere that as fish are cold blooded evrything slows down even reproduction so babies so pregnancy could take months.
Thanx for the advice.



Cold blooded, Woolworths, and Noobie... (none / 0) (#6)
by guppygirl on Sat Nov 01, 2003 at 01:29:09 PM PST

"Cold blooded" (in biological terms) simply means that the animal, reptile, or fish  are unable to regulate (raise, or lower)their internal temperature.
Therefore, their internal temperature can only equal that of their surrounding environment.
"Cold blooded" does NOT necessarily equal cold environment.

Guppies are tropical fish (found in the wild in tropical or warm environments) They need to be kept in a warm environment to thrive.
To put it simply, if their environment is too cold, they have no biological way of "warming themselves", and will eventually die.

The reason why things do slow down for some fish at lower temperatures, is because more energy is spent trying to keep warm, that could be used for growth or reproduction.

As far as Woolworth's goes, did you mean they are everywhere in the history books, or something else?

Lastly, I seem to remember someone posting in to this site a while back who refered to themselves as a guppy noobie.  Was that you?

Have you considered getting a heater for your guppies?  Maybe you could move them into a warmer location in your house.  I think you'd all be happier.

:-)

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Woolworth's (none / 0) (#8)
by Reza on Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 03:08:26 AM PST

I remember them.

There were 2 or 3 that I can remember shopping in when I was a kid.  They all had the *signature* horseshoe lunch bar too!

It was a cool store with lotsa neat (and cheap!) stuff!

(I remember when...and I'm not that old, either!!)

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I know what you mean Reza, (none / 0) (#9)
by guppygirl on Tue Nov 04, 2003 at 11:05:48 AM PST

Spent a few afternoons growing up sitting at one of their horseshoe counters drinking flat,carmally, soda they called Coke.

When I got older I used to get all my plants from them.  I'd buy their, "I'm dying, take me home and fix me! Don't leave me here, I'm only 33&1/3 cents" plants, and would repot them and take care of them.

I still have a Christmas Cactus that I rescued, it's 23 years old and lovely.

And I'm not that old either.
Just had very little money growing up.

I miss them too.  I also wish we still had Grant's, and J.M. Fields, now that I have kids of my own.  And yes, NOW I am dating myself!!
:-)

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temperature (none / 0) (#1)
by Phry on Wed Oct 29, 2003 at 09:18:06 PM PST

Guppies are able to withstand cooler waters than many other tropical fish, but 'cold' water is not really optimal for guppies.... I once kept a pair of guppies in a tank with temperatures as cool/cooler as yours, and they lived very, very long but the female had complications with her first pregnancy and never bore fry again. They were not very active, but they were robust and healthy. Instead of moving your fish to the tropical tank, try to raise the temperature in their tank 1-2 degrees a day until you reach your desired temperature. I wouldn't advise any lower than 70, however, for their general well-being. They can survive in cool water but are much more active and healthy in warmer waters.



I once bought some warm water (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 03:54:45 AM PST

gold fish too. ;)

As a kid, I listened wide eyed as the pet lady at the old local Woolworths (look that store up in a history book) told me that fancy guppies were a Betta x wild guppy cross too!

Some years back, saw some "purple gouramis". Assuming that they were dyed and probably young paradise fish (which I wanted anyway), they were purchased.

In time they grew up, the dye faded and the paradise fish spawned indoors. It turns out they were luckier than those glass fish which are painted. (Many of those don't even live through the painting process.)

Memo to self: Don't buy fish which have been artificially colored. If people didn't buy them, "they" wouldn't produce them.

Sometimes pet shop proprietors are mis-informed too. Those just didn't know any better when given wrong info by a supplier. Once in a great while, as with all businesses, you will also run across someone who just doesn't have the truth in him, but give your person the benefit of the doubt.

G.G.'s advice about verrrrry gradually raising their temperature a little at a time is wise.

Your situation is the flip side of what show competitors do when they "cook" their breeders and fry by keeping then at 80 or 82 degrees and feeding them three, four and more times a day. Water is often changed daily, sometimes automatically. Those fish mature in a few months. They also may be really showing signs of old age before the year is up.

For most of us and our guppies (or other fish) looking up their comfortable temperature range and keeping them somewhere in the middle is best. That might mean you would be keeping them in the lower to middle 70s F or 22-23 C.

If you keep them a little cooler, they will eat less and probably live longer, but they will grow more slowly too. I had never thought about the birthing complications GG mentioned. I wonder if the number of fry dropped, even in healthy birthings, would be less. I would think that they are more vulnerable to diseases if cold too.

An interesting thing happens about this time of year. Fishes which have been kept outside (people get too busy...) are sometimes not taken in until their water has gotten cooler than they would normally tolerate indoors. (That may have been the background of your fish. Ask your dealer if that was the case.)

For reasons I don't understand, tropical fish outside survive and even seem to prosper cool like that. When brought indoors and warmed up, even if very gradually, they seem to age faster than they would otherwise. I can't explain that either, but I'm slowly and carefully adjusting some fish brought in a couple of weeks ago. :)  They are just now being brought to regular room temperature. (They were on the floor in a bucket, then on a stool a foot off the floor....)

In the aquarium where you might encounter aggressive fish - they will be a little less aggressive if kept at the lower end of their comfort zone (and also well fed, with shelter and lots of water changes). That isn't usually an issue with guppies though.

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Water issues (none / 0) (#10)
by Angelee on Thu Dec 04, 2003 at 07:24:20 PM PST

So, what temperature do you recommend to keep the guppies in?  How bout the fry? I was told at the warmer end of the spectrum..(76-78 f) So oh Guru of fish lore tell me I am doing this right?  Or am I once again mis-informed?  (Please , be gentle no more egg on my face today)
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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I think the guru died some years ago :) (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Fri Dec 05, 2003 at 01:58:18 AM PST

As a fellow duffer and guppy dabbler, sure, why not 76-78 degrees F. ? :)

They will comfortably live a couple of degrees below and above that. If you are comfortable and they seem to be thriving, you've a system (or ecology if you wish) of feeding and water changing which is working. Sit back (for all three minutes before you are needed elsewhere) and enjoy the guppies.

There are other livebearers which really need the high 70s, low 80s - the Limia species from the big islands in the Gulf of Mexico & the Carribean for instance - but my modest experience and a little reading would suggest that the only group of the commercial livebearers that pretty much must be kept 78-80 F. are the mollies. And that is strange, because several wild strains and ancestral species of the commercial strains sometimes live in conditions where temperatures go lower than that. On occasion, they are also more sensitive to crowding than the other commercial livebearers. Another set of those "go figure" situations.

And somebody here will write, but I keep them at 75. ;)

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Thanks for the info (none / 0) (#12)
by Angelee on Fri Dec 05, 2003 at 04:06:10 PM PST

Yes, so far no major catastrophies (although my writing this will probably cause one).  I tried daphnia after seeing your posting awhile back.  They love that almost as much as the bloodworms!  Although, I have noticed a change in attention to surroundings.  Now everytime you walk past or sit next to the tank they'll swim right up to the glass and follow you with a "FEED ME AGAIN" expression.  (Irregardless of how many times you have "fed them again".) I have to be careful now, they know I'm just an old softy.
"The Rocky Mountain Gupster" ANGELEE
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Not G.G. this time, advice was Phry's. (none / 0) (#3)
by guppygirl on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 11:36:43 AM PST

Just to clarify.
But did take note on her advise, might explain why my fry upstairs aren't growing as fast as usual.

Think I'll have to look around for another spot in a warmer location.

I wonder where I could hide two itsy bitsy
tanks..... HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...
:-)

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Opps. Wrong great reference person! (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Thu Oct 30, 2003 at 02:34:12 PM PST

Thank you for the correction G.G. My apologies Phry!

Your (Phry's) observations about the dangers of cold water inappropriate for particular breeders and fry is something we all need to keep in mind.

That may explain the magic disappearing blue bellied limias (Poecilia melanogaster) in my fish room. I finally broke down and got them a good heater last year. More of them made it through the winter than usual. I probably should have cranked the heater up to close to 80 degrees F (27 C) for them. Duh! Again, when all else fails, read the instructions!

Limias are sorta guppy relatives from the big Carribean islands (the Greater Antilles). If one doesn't give them heat, evidentally one doesn't keep them.
:(

As for G.G.'s "hiding" two more tanks, maybe it's time for a very short article on hiding tanks and then a long survey from list members on where they hide tanks. ;)

In the meantime, Guppie Noobie, how are your noobie guppies doing? :)

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What I really need to do..... (none / 0) (#7)
by guppygirl on Sat Nov 01, 2003 at 01:42:41 PM PST

Is winterize that room.

You know, install the window insulation kits, the door kit, break out the ladder for the cathedral window, (YIKES, we have another thing in common, the first step on a step stood is usually high enough for me).

I've been waiting for my husband to do it, but, well.....

In the meantime, I have a lamp that is just above, and in between the two plastic tanks, so I just replaced the light bulb with a 150 watter. It is helping a little I think.

Hey, maybe I could hide my little ceramic heater up there instead.... HUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Gotta go!
:-)

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Cold water gups (none / 0) (#13)
by gupgal2261 on Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:53:31 PM PST

Im not all knowledgable or nething but a local pet shop in Australia did sell cold water guppies (not that id expect u wanna come here to get them or nething :P) but it meens they might exist. When i questioned them they said that they had a supplier that bred it into them or something. They seemed to be as pretty and colourful as any other guppies i've seen even without a heater.

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