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Pond snails | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Good point - in asking about what will eat (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:57:04 PM PST

snails but not the guppies. :)

There are lots of predators of snails, which would eat your snails and also your guppies and maybe the plants. (Thinking of stuff like turtles, Red Ear Sunfish (Lepomis microlophus) that is also called shellcracker and on and on.) They might fancy escargot, but might also like the dieter's special (fillet of guppy).

Some of the aquarium loaches from Asia will be pretty effective in eating snails and should leave your guppies alone. Don't know how guppy fry will fair though.

Scott Lockwood has pointed out that the relatively small skunk Botia (formerly Botia morleti or Botia horae and now Yasuhikotakia morleti) is surprisingly territorial and something of a bad actor. I don't know that I would risk a guppy's tail around them. :)

http://www.loaches.com/ is a pretty good place to look for info on loaches. The scientific name game is more than a little confusing. The first published name used in a scientific description is considered the proper scientific name except in really rare situations where the first name has never been used and another is widely used in all scientific circles. Looking from the outside in, I'm guessing that westerners described several loaches and now it is being discovered that Asian scientists had described those same species before the French/ British/German workers did. That is the priority rule.

As people become fluent in different languages, as books and publications are more widely distributed and as information is more available everywhere from universities to on the Net, researchers are discovering these duplicate names. This has been a century long and (for hobbyists) uncomfortable process, unless we treat it somewhat like a sport or soap-opera. :)

One drawback to using loaches to get rid of snails is that we don't want the biological mass of the snails taxing the tank's capacity to process waste materials. But the loach or loaches will weigh more and tax the system even more. Two ways around that:

1.Put in some old lettuces for a bit. When several snails have attached themselves to the lettuce, take it outside, shake them off on the sidewalk outside and smoosh them so they don't suffer long, while suffocating.

2.Get some fish or a fish (snail-eating cichlids or sunfish get large and chew up the snails with "pharyngeal teeth" in their throats) that eat snails. I keep several darters in the living room. When a snail gets dropped in, they move it around almost like a soccer or lacrosse ball. ("Darter Football") Although I haven't seen the actual process, they must suck out or (with their tweezer-like teeth) pry the snail out of the shell. Darters will only eat live foods (ka-ching!) or freshly defrosted and rinsed frozen foods, which move in the current. I'm so grateful for extra snails to put in that tank I have to be careful to not over-harvest. :0

There is an irony associated with water chemistry. In the livebearer tanks and in aquariums with hardwater North American killies and minnows there is an abundance of snails. The water encourages them and they must be able to absorb some calcium from what they drink. Alkaline water also encourages the growth of algae and the snails feed on or in that too.

In tanks where I'm trying to breed rainforest killies, some Corys, tetras (if I did) or even a few soft-water North Americans (dwarf and pygmy sunfish, Fundulus cingulatus. Leptolucania ommata...) demineralized water is added to the tank until the mineral level is less and the fish (happy fish are spawning fish) are reproducing.

BUT the water is relatively low in both the minerals, which would be used to build snail shells and to buffer the water to a higher (alkaline) pH. So the snail shells dissolve some (you will see a whitish spot, discoloration or even holes in the shells). At the same time it is harder for the snails to replace those minerals from the water and I have had several snail-free tanks. Then, if scavengers are needed with fry, snails must be taken from the hardwater tanks and placed with the fry (for a time anyway.)

If your snails all start dying off in a guppy tank, it is time to start doing more significant partial water changes. Perhaps because of the growing guppy population and the increased amount of food they are processing, the tank's pH is dropping as the beneficial bacteria process all of that "stuff". That is not good for the guppies beyond a certain point and disaster can beckon if those changes aren't made.

Hornwort and Val are hardwater plants and great for guppy tanks. It has even been suggested that they help buffer the water and pH up. I don't know how they would do that. But if they get "mushy" (another precise, scientific term) check the water quality and pH or just get going with water changes or even re-setting up the aquarium.

By the way, in response to a question on a (long gone but missed) livebearer's list as to are there soft-water livebearers, Harro Hieronimus mentioned a couple of the Micropoecilia from Brazil and the Guiana Shield. If I ever get a pair of picta or the like, then I will worry about their water.

By the way, Harro's very excellent "Guppies, Mollies, and Platys (Complete Pet Owner's Manual)" in paperback seems to have been re-issued in a new addition in 2007. That inexpensive book is a keeper for livebearer enthusiasts, especially those of us only in the hobby a few years.

If you have small children, snail picking can become a game. Turn off and unplug the light,  unplug the heater, and other accessories! If the filter or air pump is some distance from where they are working, maybe it can be left on. Remember to plug everything in later. :)

A long time ago (I'd offer them more now) when our kids were small, I offered to pay them a penny apiece for snails from the living room, planted, 40-gallon tank. 500 snails later, I was really glad I hadn't offered them a nickel each. ;)



Re: Good point - in asking about what will eat (none / 0) (#3)
by New Guppy Momma on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 05:45:22 PM PST

My Mom had good success with a skunk loach. He got so big tho that he ate ALL the snails and got too big for the tank. He had to go back to the pet store and she replaced him with a few neon tetra's.

Anyway I don't have any pond snails. Just a mystery snail (had 2 but my gups attacked one and ate it out of it's shell...BAD guppy's :(). I want to get another snail or two. They are cute. My current one is brown and about the size of a golf ball. He/She was about a 1/2 inch across when I got him. These are the ones that only breed when there are 2 in the tank (altho mine tried they never laid eggs).

Good luck on decreasing your snail population.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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I want to applaud the shop for taling the skunk (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Thu Jul 31, 2008 at 10:27:07 AM PST

loach back. (Not sure that I would.) We need to remember that they can't take everything back because of space and the very small market for 2-foot channel catfish or 18" Jaguar cichlids. And the public aquariums are full of those adoption cases. Though the local professionally run public aquarium denies this, there have been rumors of pairs of over-sized cichlids being forced upon them and later quietly fed to somebody. 0:

Your mystery snail (Pomacea bridgesii) is the only apple snail still legal to have in the US. Retailers and wholesalers are supposed to have a USF&WL permit to move them across state lines. That is because virtually all of the other apple snails have proved to be ecological disasters as carriers of diseases (including at least one which attacks humans) and in eating vegetation which was really needed. (Hey! Where did my rice crop go?) And the flip side is that apple snails native to south Florida are desperately needed by birds (such as the once almost extinct snail kite) that feed upon them.

If one died and you don't have a fish which usually preys upon them, that animal may have already been ill before you got them. That the probably two males tried to spawn is a measure of how strongly the imperative to procreate is in animals.

As you noted, the they apple snails are single gendered. Like earthworms, most pond snails are both male and female and fertilize each other when mating.

My nerite snails from the Gulf of Mexico are doing ok. They spawned once but because the eggs were in fresh water (as opposed to brackish or marine) they didn't hatch. They really are algae eaters and do ok on veggie flakes. If you do a Google image search for nerite snails, you will find some awfully beautiful shells. I wish that the aquarium trade would pick up on some of these other netites. Anyone reading this from the west coast or a country other than the US (there is even a freshwater nerite in Europe) might want to check around and see what is nearby and if it is legal to have them. They might make great aquarium residents and good trade material.

Cover their tanks. They are travelers. I was surprised a while back by an unusual and attractive Physia snail, which suddenly showed up in three adjacent aquariums! Speaking of travelers! They must have slide under the Plexiglas covering their aquariums and some of them made it next door. If carrying fertilized eggs, only one needed to make it to another aquarium! ;)

I am pleased, New Guppy Momma, that your fish were able to consume the dead snail (hoping that whatever killed it will not hurt your gups). Sometimes, when a large apply or mystery snail dies, it can dangerously foul an aquarium. When I see an very still shell and some discolored water at the opening, I will run a siphon hose there, carefully suck on the siphon and hold my breath as the remains are rushed into a bucket. Those remains are quickly "buried at sea" in the bathroom, because they can be pervasive and pretty foul.

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Well I had to move (none / 0) (#5)
by New Guppy Momma on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 09:07:27 PM PST

Gary the snail.
He/she was getting too harassed by the gups. They will actually corner him and pick at him around the edges of his shell and/or trap door. Since I moved him (he's in a fish bowl) he's doing better and coming out of his shell.

By the way what do you feed a snail? Other than leftover fish food (too many fish in the tank to cause that) and I tried lettuce...no luck there either. And algae wafers are too pricey. Maybe I can get a zuchini from my sister....

And trade some guppies in for another snail or two. If they don't need a filter I have a 10 gallon (broken filter but I have a pump and air stone) that is unused right now. Maybe my female gourami (very plump) and a mate for her and a couple snails.....

Now I have to stop...I'm thinking again.
I'll post a diary soon. I have to update about my pond (and it's fishies and frog). Besides it's bedtime. Nite Nite.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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"Gary the snail...." Oh-Oh! When an (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:13:06 PM PST

aquarium critter or other pet gets named, then they're family. ;)

That often means that they are even better cared for. But that also makes it very hard to give away or sell something. :)

(I remember the five living room aquariums full of our little girl's gerbils. Even I got used to saying, "Hi bear, hi hippo, hi lion, good morning giraffes, hello bears, et al" when passing through, searching for coffee, early in the morning.)

If the guppies were harassing the snail and you wanted it to survive, removing it to different quarters was wise. Maybe the snail was ailing. Maybe the guppies need some protein and would like some frozen bloodworms (defrosted in Luke-warm water and rinsed through a fine-meshed net or sieve). Maybe we have no clue why they are doing that.

Smaller pond snails certainly will do well on "left-over" aquarium food. They also forage off of plants , the gravel and glass. At a month or two after a food canister is opened, some vitamins (especially vitamin C) are supposed to have broken down. I'm trying to learn to buy differently sized packages accordingly.

Larger packages are a much better price per unit (ounce) of food. But if we feed from that for several months, there is a slightly declining benefit for the fish. The food might be better for the fish if it was used up in a month or two.

However, I often end up with some small flakes when finishing a canister. One can not get enough larger flakes out to feed the adult livebearers. Then the left-overs are dumped into a larger 7" tall food canister. That is gently stirred and fed to the snails, which don't seem to mind at all. Although fry are fed some "fresh" crushed flakes they also get a feeding from the "mix."

Some parties have suggested, especially if a person gets several sample containers in a "goody bag" (often raffle prizes at an auction or club event), mixing them in one holder. If we mixed regular flakes, some veggie flakes and a color flake package, we have "guppy flakes plus". :) That is not a bad thing and maybe the snails are doing better than the fish for the variety in their diet.

While excavating a corner of the fishroom (after an early retirement from teaching) I ran across one of those left-over canisters. It had been filled during some presidential administration other than the present one. The very aged flake residue was dumped and spaded into a a garden compost heap. The canister was rinsed and left in the recycle barrel.

Your idea of feeding snails that will give veggie eaters a little blanched piece of zucchini is a great one. (And judging from this AM's farmer's market) this is getting to the time when one can buy inexpensive zucchini. It can be microwaved for 30 seconds or a minute, left to cool and be sliced into small slices. Than it is tossed into a zip-lock bag and frozen.

The zucchini slices back-fired on me when I tossed a "zucchini coin" into a 10-gallon tank of livebearers (Gambusia vittata), a batch of growing golden bristlenose "plecos" (Ancistrus species) and too many ramshorm snails. (I'm selecting out the brown ramshorns as darter food, keeping the bright red ones). I mistakenly assumed that the assembled multitude would completely consume that slice of squash, maybe with the exception of the peel.

What they did do was tear up the slice fairly  effectively and leave it. Within a couple of hours the aquarium was horribly cloudy. Some of that may have because of the stuff passing through the animals' digestive tracts. Clearly the not-clear tank was also a mess because I overfed by adding too large a piece of zucchini.

Before keeping apple snails was a no-no, I'd put them in their own (covered) aquarium, set up for plants. Plants never got put in but the tank was well lit. The material passing through the snails fed a Kelly-green culture of protists and algae (greenwater). The apples ate everything!

Start small with your snails, maybe feeding what you think is too little. In 50-gallon breeder tanks, I've seen guys run a large stainless steel screw through a hunk of uncooked zucchini and just drop it in and let "a lot" of guppies and bristlenoses attack it. Evidently the uncooked food didn't fall apart as quickly, the number of customers was more appropriate and the larger filtration system was more effective.

Read a marine aquarium article a little while ago. It suggested that many kinds of lettuce have so little nutritional content that the fish eating it actually will lose weight by the time they have digested it. Unless you are feeding romaine lettuce (perhaps), don't bother with it, even if the fish are taking it.

A piece of wilted lettuce (washed to get rid of anything on it) is a useful "snail trap" if left in the aquarium for a few minutes. It isn't really a nutritional item in that instance though.

Say hi to Gary! :)

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