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3 way swordtail fight | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: The trimming of the extended gonopodium (none / 0) (#6)
by josh117 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 10:27:16 AM PST

My red wag swordtail died yesterday, he was a father of 30 and soon to be more, but it looks like my poor lyretail will never have kids, and what about the molly, platy cross breed, ive seen a few of those but i se no resemblance in the gonopodiums, and my guppy/molly cross has a very deformed one and has a swim bladder problem to where he sways when he swims, the head of it looks more molly but when you get to the back of the body he has the body of a female guppy with a few small scattered spots, this is a very weird fish, i might try and take pictures of it. Last year i had a big spawn of black swordtails, i had one male live out of the ones i kept and it was a super male because of the green swordtail that i still had, he became bigger than his mom he was very huge. I was also wondering, are we going through an albino koi and black swordtail shortage this year, i cant find them anywhere and they can't get them in for me. well they got 1 albino koi in but it was very small and they were going to charge me $10 for it.

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Please do take a photo of what you believe to be (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:05:45 AM PST

the Guppy/molly cross. Can you document who the parents were? Such crosses seem to have happened, but are very rare. Can you demonstrate that that fish is not just the product of two molly strains (or even two molly species) mating?

"what about the molly, platy cross breed, ive seen a few of those". Sigh! I feel like such a mean-spirited cynic asking this, but has anyone else, anywhere in the world, seen such a cross? Ever?

Again, can you document who the parents were? Can you demonstrate that the fish(es) in hand are not a molly x molly or platy x some Xiphophorus product or just a miss-identified fish??

In light of previous discussions, just pulling some fry from a large community of livebearers and christening them a cross of two species does not prove that the fish is/are an actual cross. One must be able to demonstrate that the parents are properly identified and isolated. (Possibly we could work backwards, if we had the capacity to take a tail snipping and analyze the DNA of the possible parental species and the youngsters.) The parents must also breed true, as opposed to producing mystery fry because they had been inseminated by parties unknown at a shop. And before we declare a fry the offspring of two parents, we must be able to eliminate the possibility of any other fish being one of those parents.

When you declared that you were getting guppy X Gambusia crosses, it was noticed that you had breeding pairs of guppies and Gambusia in the same aquarium. Because females of both species were dropping fry in that aquarium doesn't mean that one can claim that one female was dropping both guppy and Gambusia fry.

In some course somewhere, a text's author was talking about how we can drawn false or irrelevant conclusions from data uncritically compared. As an example it was pointed out by someone many years ago that a large urban area might have a number of criminals plying their trade there. It was also noticed that there were a number of ministers in that city. The author somewhat jovially noted that someone had come to the goof-ball conclusion that if there are a number of ministers in an area there would also be a number of law breakers in that area!

That false reasoning overlooks the fact that the urban area might be home to millions of people. Many of those individuals might have largely different life styles and never meet someone or at least get to know others well, who have such different priorities and ways of "making a living."

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