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Spring Cleaning Amid The Snow Flurries | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Spring cleaning without the snow :) (none / 0) (#1)
by New Guppy Momma on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:35:44 AM PST

Just lots of rain threatening this weekend.
Last week I did a major water change (25% compared to the weekly 10-15% I've been doing) on the Beast (only about 15 fish in the tank still). I was on my last outgoing bucket (outside to water my newly planted grass seed) when I twisted my ankle. I have a hairline fracture and a very bad sprain. So the tanks are getting ignored while I recuperate :)

Sad to say I lost one of my "Moons" to Dropsy. He always did look a bit fuller than I thought he should and the past 2 weeks has been pineconing (it really does look like they're turning into a pinecone). Anyway I tried catching him a dew days ago but he was still active enough to be elusive. But yesterday he started hanging around head down in an upper corner so I slipped a net under him and plunked him in a small glass dish of tank water. Unfortunately he went worse really quickly and so to avoid him being in too much pain and possibly exploding I put him and a bit of the tank water into an empty, clean yogurt cup. Then he went into the freezer. We now have a fish-sicle that I will put out with the trash tonight.

Oh and there is talk of an outdoor pond going in this summer :) With probably 1/2 dozen feeder goldfish. My Mom has 6 that she's had for about 4 years. The biggest one is maybe 9 inches long. They started as 1-2 inch feeders for 10 cents each.

So I'm planning my spring cleaning while healing. Luckily the break wasn't too bad. But the sprain is really bad. And I have a tendency to do too much.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)



Drat! I'm so sorry to hear about the hairline (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:10:51 AM PST

fracture. You are very active, as are the kids. I hope that heals smoothly and as soon as possible. Stay out of mosh pits. ;)

At 4 years those aren't feeder goldfish anymore. :) If they are rather standard, I suppose they could be called common goldfish. If any of them grew up into that elongated type with the longer tail lobes, they would be comets.

Comets look to me that they would be even swifter   and more graceful swimmer than the standard or common goldfish. That I think that they are even more attractive that the commons points out a little personal hypocrisy, because I tend to look a bit askance at the egg-shaped types because I wonder what that is happening to their internal organs. And it seems like such a struggle for them to swim.

On the other hand, the egg-shaped goldfish don't know that they are handicapped. And if they are kept with other egg-shaped goldfish in that tank they aren't handicapped. So it is mostly one person's preference of a sport compared to another's preference for a sport..

The comets also remind me of the goldfish in the animated movie Fantasia. I wonder how many others first saw that movie as little kids and were charmed by those fish and later kept an aquarium.

Were your Mom's goldfish in a pond before? If they have grown where they were, even indoors, it would be interesting to see if they will spawn in your pond. Some hornwort or other relatively inexpensive, fast growing "oxygenator" plant may survive the depredations of the goldfish and provide places to catch some of the eggs.

Don't know how many fry would survive on their own in the pond. Probably plenty to too many if they spawn and the parents are well fed. Most eggs would probably be eater but that may be a mercy. Conventional wisdom is that many goldfish and temperate zone fish need a bit of a cool or cold period before spawning is triggered by rising temperatures in spring. However some goldfish have been cultured for over 1,200 years. Wonder if the cooling is less of a factor after many generations in captivity. Also some goldfish are raised even in SE Asia and they seem to spawn there without a really cold period. Just breeding some strains there may have selected those who didn't need a cold period. And I've heard that the egg shaped goldfish or fancy goldfish would be better off being housed indoors over winter anyway.

Know of one joker with a coolish basement. He kept mostly killies but also had some goldfish. A visitor asked if he could have some killie eggs when they became available as the basement warmed up in the spring. The goldfish spawned and left eggs upon spawning mops first.

(If you ever get a vial or pill bottle of eggs, open them quickly so they don't suffocate. Put them in a open, flat-bottomed, container - plastic, battery jar from a garage sale, even a tank with a shallow water level and new, seasoned and treated water. Even changing 100% of the incubation water every 5-7 days is not a bad idea.)

The poor guy was given a vial of goldfish eggs. After a few weeks he called back, "Hey! These killies are developing the oddest shaped bodies!"

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Mom's Goldfish (none / 0) (#3)
by New Guppy Momma on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:18:03 AM PST

Have been in the pond since she got them. I think the first winter she may have moved them inside but the last 3 winter's they've been out in the pond. This year their heater even stopped working and except for a small patch where the airstone sent up bubbles it was frozen over to the point where my youngest daughter and I could both stand on the ice (by the way the pond is over 3 feet at it's deepest point). She did lose one fish this winter. It was a quite small one (only 4 inches). A neighbor had given her 3 fish in the fall. One does appear to be a fancy. It's fins are more floaty/filmy looking than the other 5. Last summer one of the goldies decided to turn white. It took about 3 months and it's pure white.
Quick question...How do you control algae in a pond? My Mom has a tree above it for shade and the rain replenishes the water but we have a severe case of algae at all times of the year. She's even thinking this year of investing in a UV sterilizer. Does she really need one? Or should she just add some live plants. She does have a few sitting in pots that she puts in the pond once it's warm enough out (the pond is one made with the black plastic form) and they sit on the corner "shelves".

As for my ankle...it's still badly bruised (and I decided to cut the grass this morning as it's supposed to rain for the next few days) but is getting better. I need to remember to take it easy(as much as possible with my Mommy job). I've had sprains many times so it was just a matter of when I would break it. Oh and never try driving an SUV 5 days after breaking an ankle. OUCH.
Anyway I have a panful of dirty dishes beckoning me again....Oh and the sound of my daughter chasing down the cat who escaped from the house (stupid cat :) Gotta go.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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As you know, algae is a product of extra (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:29:12 PM PST

nutrients in the water and light. Once there, in an aquarium or pond, those nutrients are hard to get down in concentration. Algae is one of nature's "fixes." Better a bloom of brush algae that a lot of lethal ammonia in the water or a bloom of bacteria or rotting plants sucking out all of the oxygen.

There are a lot of products which will kill algae. The ones allowed around fish will dramatically increase the nutrients in the water as the algae rots - unless we get it out quickly, usually through frequent partial (or in real emergencies complete) water changes.

Some herbicides will kill the fish too and sellers suggest removing the fish. I imagine that either the poison breaks down or one must get all of the water out and wash down the pond. If that was the case, I might just break the pond down, remove everything possible, maybe bleach and start over.

The accumulation of nutrients and the additional collection of leaves over the fall, winter and early spring is why many pond keepers break down the pond every spring, clean it out very well and start over. It is like the entropic park lake which is drained because it is beyond help in most any other way. We see that in aquariums too. A complete die off in an aquarium (or pond or even in a lake with insufficient outflow) may occur because we let this process of accumulating nutrients and waste products go on too long.

There is a tendency of water in streams in the beginning (headwaters) of a river system to start as low nutrient, often highly oxygenated, oligotrophic water. Fish and insect populations are low, but this is where trout will live in some mountain areas. Going down stream in a river from the headwaters one can find a mesotrophic zone.

In that zone, the waters are more productive, but many of the invertebrates and fishes and even plants will be different. It will generally be more more productive and the fish population will be of a greater density. That zone may even be more productive in cold and hot weather than the more nutrient rich entropic zone.

The Eutoropic zone will often be more productive per square whatever than the upstream zones and even lake. But again the fauna and flora will change in the proportion of certain species. Some will disappear entirely.

A lot of lakes, rivers and ponds have become entropic because of sewerage plant (sometimes septic tank) releases or other pollutants. Others get a lot of farm or lawn run off, which includes a considerable amount of fertilizer of one sort or another.

I break down all of our aquatic "container gardens" or tubs every fall. Some may be reestablished indoors. Even the Daphnia cultures get drained 80-90%. A lot of the leaf litter, which is the source of so much food for the Daphnia, is pulled out. Those cultures are not very productive in early spring. Part of that is temperature related. As the weather warms up, productivity in the food cultures greatly increases (like right now). I'm actually putting food items in there for the Daphnia, because they are using up all of the plant material and bacteria produced by decaying tree leaves. Biomass in the form of the Daphnia, other tiny crustaceans and small mosquitoes is removed. Partial water changes are also made so that the accumulated "stuff" doesn't increase too much. Really the feeding and water changes are about the same as with an aquarium.

By the way, several crustaceans leave resting eggs in those container bottoms (sort of like brine shrimp eggs in salt lakes.) In a number of cases we do get a spring bloom of brush algae. Shortly there after there is a bloom of seed shrimp or Ostrocods. The algae disappears and I feed Ostrocods like crazy to the fish. I have tried them indoors in fish-less tanks with hair algae and they haven't worked out. <sigh>

A pond is much more sophisticated than my little tubs. (Remember I'm not a ponder and may be leaving some important things out here.) Shading from the sun in the form of water lilies, other floating plants, and even physical structures build over the pond limits sunlight and some algae growth. A large number of "higher plants" absorb a lot of the nutrients. Many "ponders" add larger biofilters. As you know the biofilters biologically break down the more toxic waste materials (ammonia, nitrites) into less toxic waste materials (nitrates). These still need to be removed through a denitrification system (either items which will absorb the nitrates or maybe some sort of wet-dry filter). Partial water changes in many cases still need to be made.

http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/denitratorunits/Natural_Nitrate_Reduction_NNR_Filtration_Methods.htm

So using one or several approaches your mom is going to have to get rid of a lot of the nutrients in the pond. Even algae eating fish can create a problem if their waste isn't removed since it just adds ammonia to the water. (Ask many "pleco" owners about this.)

So the bottom line very likely may include water changes. A small sump pump or large power head may be used to pump water out, so long as measures are made so that the goldfish do not get sucked in. If the pond is at the top of a hill or is out of the ground, siphons of course may be used. Maybe ideally that stuff gets sent to a garden.

Hope the algae goes away this year. I'm sure that you and your Mom are familiar with most of this. Maybe there is something new, which is useful. You "guys" (using the term loosely) may have a bunch of other ideas to fire back at Guppylog. :)

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