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Rare livebearers | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: Thanks. I apologize for not just asking for th (none / 0) (#6)
by josh117 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:45:30 PM PST

texas why?

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TEXAS! That is where the biggest livebearer (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:23:02 AM PST

event in the country for this year is taking place!

http://www.ala2008.info/

See also the latest TFH magazine (May, 2008) where they again have the program for the ALA (American Livebearer Convention). It begins Thursday May first and continues over the weekend. There will be no event in the country where one would have more opportunities to buy wild type livebearers (what ever their names happen to be.)

I've already committed to, registered for and paid my registration-banquet-t-shirt money to the AKA national convention in Syracuse. Personally there seems to be a pattern (taking into consideration time, discretionary cash and transportation) for only one national convention a year. So I'm committed, though another may work in later.

Texas is also the home to a fall NANFA convention in the Athens area (east of Dallas). A lot of that will work out of the Texas Freshwater Fisheries Center, which we visited about a year and a half ago.

I realize that one could stuff several Illinois into Texas and probably have room left over for New England. You may not be close to San Antonio for that ALA thing, but the opportunities to collect in a local stream, visit the Xiphophorus research center and shop at Goliad Farms (tropical fish) hatchery plus the room sales, auction and seminars of the ALA are all golden opportunities to learn about livebearers and (money and time permitting) to stock SEVERAL fishrooms.

Please check out that site. I'd wax more serendipitous but I've been up since 4 AM the last three days packing stuff and shuffling papers, trying to finish the importing of a box of fish from Netherlands for a 50th anniversary CKA show in Chicagoland. (Slept in to 4:20 a few minutes ago.) And I've still got stuff to bottle for a live foods table, auction items to bag and show entries to catch.

More later. And what is that species you were talking about? :) Betcha it will be available at San Antonio!

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Re: TEXAS! That is where the biggest livebearer (none / 0) (#8)
by josh117 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:19:18 PM PST

i live too far away from athens and san antonio

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Me too. But wouldn't it be nice. (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 06:15:03 AM PST

What was the livebearer you were so taken with? Does Limia nigrofaciata (meaning black lined, black faceted...) seem likely? Copy and paste that into Google and do an image search.

They come from the island of Hispaniola, more specifically the country of Haiti. There are an amazing number of livebearers there, including quite a crowd of Limia. There is some danger to their survival because of poor agricultural practices in the highlands which pollute and silt the streams. Introduced cichlids do not help.

Limia need heat (78-80 F or a little more - increase feedings then) and some veggies in their diet. If kept cooler, they will not drop fry but will waste away. They are active and a delight to watch. While they are pretty tolerant of fry, up to a certain population density, make sure you have some growing up. Some will live two years, but I've noticed they often are fairly short-lived.

This species is also called the humpbacked Limia. As males get older, they become less streamlined and develop quite a hump on their back. Probably some sort of dominance thing.

Also, despite the fact that there are so many Limia on Hispaniola, they will hybridize (at least in the first few generations) with other Limia from that island and also from Jamaica and Cuba (most of the Greater Antilles.) Research with both cichlids and livebearers of the Poeciliid group suggest that they have affinities with cichlids and livebearers (livebearer to livebearer of course) and very probably killies (Rivulus) in Central America. This is another example of how continental drift may explain the distribution of fishes.

There is a group of smaller Caribbean islands to the east called the Lesser Antilles which progress north from South American. There is evidence for a different radiation of freshwater fishes from SA in that case.

Limia are great aquarium fish and they put up with quite a bit of neglect, but given space and/or water changes will do very well. I have had a female Limia melanogaster (black bellied Limia) in one of my infamous gallon jars of emerald green greenwater. (At least once a week, half of the greenwater is poured through a fine meshed net into a Daphnia culture and replaced with warm, treated, seasoned water.) She has thrived on a diet of over half veggie flakes, some regular flakes and the rare meaty item and is dropping fry every month. I'm separating them out but because the fish room temperatures are mid-70s, am getting only females. As the temperature rises (assuming she doesn't run out of batches) males should begin to appear.

Want a bunch of virgin females? ;)

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Re: Me too. But wouldn't it be nice. (none / 0) (#11)
by josh117 on Sat Apr 05, 2008 at 02:13:22 PM PST

Wow that not what I was looking for exactly but I about 5 months ago I was looking for limia, but yeah  thats cool, is there anything that limia could probably crossbreed with, im trying to take a picture of the molly, guppy cross breed I have but it is too jiddery and swimms too fast, it is also a male but its anal fin looks exactly like a females, the only way you can tell is if you see him trying to breed. I had about 200 sunset platiesorn and im down to 3 little ones :( but at least I still have all of my baby neon swordtails.

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You piked my curiosity again. If your male (none / 0) (#12)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 08:20:54 PM PST

doesn't have an obvious gonopodium, like the guppies and other Poeciliids, could it be a member of the Goodieds? They have a different looking anal fin. It is almost rounded and has a couple of  fin rays which are notched. These carry the sperm to the female. They must mate after every batch of fry is born. The female can not carry sperm from previous matings like the guppies, et al.

http://home.clara.net/brachydibble/Atn_toweri.htm

That Fish Ark Mexico is a useful site. http://www.goodeids.com/ might be also. I wonder if you would recognize you male from among their images.

For a further discussion of differences, go here:
http://www.livingfish.co.uk/livebearers/whatlive.htm

The Asian half-beaks are from a third family (sometimes sub family) of livebearers. The Central American Anableps (four-eyes and the South American Jenynsia  (the one sided livebearer, but they seem to be able to mate from both sides anyway) are a fourth family of livebearing aquarium fishes.

There are also many other species of livebearing fishes (including sharks, rays. California surf perches and the venerable Coelacanth. There are also fish "on the road" from being internal fertilizers of eggs which are later laid to being full time livebearers. There are even levels of nourishment given to the embryos carried by livebearers! Estimates vary wildly, in part because some counters limit themselves to potential aquarium fish when they define livebearer, but there may be over 1,000 livebearing fishes. That is not a huge percentage of the 28,000 - 30,000 fishes described, but the influence some of them have had and have on the aquarium hobby is huge. :)

For a little bit more on different livebearers see...
http://web.archive.org/web/20040117182224/www.guppylog.com/story/2003/11/11/203510/74

And let us know if you have just a young Poeciliid or a Goodied. Thanks!


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