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Re: Sea Monkeys ARE brine shrimp. Kits have (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 01:40:07 PM PST

been sold for years. And they are a lot easier to raise than the Instant Fish kits (featuring annual killifish eggs) that seem to come around every 15-20 years. And all of those are easier than the Triops kits where if they hatch you get one big, still hungry cannibalistic Triops. ;)

I would guess that unit per unit, the brine shrimp are cheaper than as sea monkeys. While I had luck with small portions of bs eggs in shops, I haven't more recently.

You will not need to hatch very many eggs a day in order to feed a few fry. (In fact I used to rinse a portion of adult bs and then take the bbs out of the rinse water.)

As a kid, I bought a little vial of b.s. eggs at a pet shop and wonder of wonders they hatched! I used a big shallow (2") baking pan of my Mom's before I knew about soap in dishes. In fact I used table salt without having heard about its drawbacks. I also hadn't heard about brine shrimp nets (many of those available on today's market aren't tight enough a weave) or sieves. Lastly I hasn't hear of food for bs and they starved after a few days.

I've often wondered if spirulina powder, from a health food store, would feed them.

If your shop sells "tin" cans of sealed bs eggs those will be good. The best way to destroy the ability of bs eggs to hatch is humidity. Marine salts, water softener salt, the inexpensive cattle feed salt from agricultural supply stores, are all good sources of salt for a solution. A cheap hydrometer. thermometer combination is sold through LFS stores. Those are cheaper than lab and cooking (beer brewing) hydrometers, I think.

16 level tablespoons of a granular salt (such as the feed salt or canning salt) to a gallon of water will roughly reproduce sea salt. The salt with the larger crystals leave me uncertain. I got to the point where I could just pour a certain amount of feed salt into a gallon jar and it was good to go.

1.020 or 1.022 is a fine reading for bs if you use a hydrometer. They can go all the way up to a specific gravity of 1.050 (The Great Salt Lake) but the popular wisdom is that the bs live longer at a lower specific gravity. A batch should hatch out a 80F in a day. Lower temperatures may take 2 days.

Mixing with chlorinated water doesn't hurt and may kill bacteria on the outside of the shells/cysts. I use a length of hard airline tubing for aeration and two 1-gallon wide mouthed pickle jars, alternating the days I start a hatch.

The hatching water can be reused but must be clean. If it smells or is discolored, mix a new batch up.

It is best to feed bbs within a couple of hours of hatching. They are smaller then. Also, they aren't even born with functional mouth parts and live off of the nutrients in their yoke sake. By 24 hours and two molts or instars they don't have as many nutritional goodies in them as at hour 3.

A pretty good site, as a source of things brine shrimp and as a source of information is www.brineshrimpdirect.com

I've ordered from them a couple of times and have been pleased with what I got.

When our son was quite young, he enjoyed helping harvest Daphnia (a freshwater crustacean with a similar life style to bs). He had his drum bowl of Daphnia which we fed green water to each night. I explained that if we didn't take some out each evening, the culture would crash of overpopulation and all of the Daphnia might die. They remained pets for that summer. With his permission, I pulled some for feeding the fish - after the kids went to bed. It worked pretty well.

Raising brine shrimp to adulthood is a lot harder than raising Daphnia. It can be done, but I prefer the Daphnia, lack of "salt creep," greater productivity of fresh water and the fact that Daphnia can swim and forage in a fish tank for days or even months until eaten. And they reproduce there too, providing baby Daphnia for baby guppies. Brine shrimp are good for a few hours in fresh water and the live ones in shops are pretty starved and of less food value.

Both species, in "good times" produce females which in turn produces hundreds and thousands of live young parthenogenically - without sexual reproduction. When their pond or lake's conditions become oxygen or food poor, too hot or too cold, the females parthenogenically produce resting eggs or cysts.

A few years ago the El Nino winds brought so much rainwater to the Great Salt Lake Basin that the lake remained less salty than before, the brine shrimp were more comfortable and the commercial brine shrimp egg crop was way down. It is funny to think that egg production is a response to discomfort.

Explaining that the critters are fish food is a bit of a challenge when talking to kids and non-fish people. It is wise to do so however.

We had some friends over for pinochle several years ago. I was running behind in feeding off some live brine shrimp (this was BD or Before Daphnia). I invited my friend Ray to join me in the fishroom as I scurried from tank to tank with a turkey baster, squirting in (hopefully) the right amount of shrimp for each tank population.

Our of the corner of my eye I saw Ray's eyes kind of bug out and he staggered back from the aquarium he had been so closely watching. Alarmed and worrying about a heart attack, I rushed to ask him if he was ok.

He explained that he was ok. but emotionally a little kicked around. He had focused in on one particular brine shrimp and had become quite enchanted with it. All of a sudden a killifish cruised into his vision and sucked the brine shrimp down the hatch! He was rather shaken by the brevity of some creature's lives!

All the best!



Re: Sea Monkeys ARE brine shrimp. Kits have (none / 0) (#2)
by Quinngrl82 on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 05:36:26 PM PST

LOL, I will remember to not feed the fish live food when I have guests over.
I haven't heard to much about water daphnia. Do you think my local pet store might sell them? I am definetly going to do some reading on them tonight to see what to do to start a batch. You commented that they can live a up to a couple of months. Are water daphnia ok to be around fish, or fry for tht matter?

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If you read the old books such an Innes' (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 08:25:36 PM PST

Exotic Aquarium Fishes, which has printings up into the sixties (and later when TFH bought the rights) but which was mostly written in the 1930s and 40s you will even see instructions for collecting Daphnia in roadside, park, forest preserve and farm ponds which are mostly gone now. This is also the case in much of Europe. That was where aquarists got their live foods (and a few unwanted pests and predators) from.

Very, very rarely will you find a shop which sells it in the US. The Europeans are more progressive. ;)

After WWII the members of the San Francisco Aquarium Society noticed the little shrimp in the hyper-saline drying pans of various salt companies. Those of course were the brine shrimp. A company was formed, San Francisco Bay Brine Shrimp and commercial collection of the shrimp and eggs followed. A lot of those SF Bay collecting spots have been restored to the bay, but collecting from the Great Salt Lake and other places all over the world (you can buy eggs from China, Brazil, Russia...)

Culture in basements of an increasing number of critters has also been done by more advanced (or crazy) aquarists. And the fish food companies have  done great things (compared with the 40s and 50s) in researching and formulating their foods.

I still like keeping a few Daphnia cultures, also harvesting the occasional mosquito larvae, bloodworm and in august glass worm. I have written on lot on them in guppylog, on line and even in an old FAMA article. Several are going in the backyard and a couple remain in the fishroom.

I live in the southern 'burgs of Chicagoland. If you live in a pretty populous area you probably have a general and maybe some specialty aquarium clubs in the area. Google aquarium clubs and your area. Someone there will have a starter.

If you are rural enough that there is no aquarium club, you may be able to find a Daphnia pond. Ask any private property owners first. You will need a bucket (cover is good, ice packs and a fine meshed net.) What you wade in is your business but have shoes which will with stand broken beer bottles.

If you can prepare a well rinsed garbage can ahead of time (maybe a Rubbermaid) with a few rotting leaves, aquarium water and greenwater, so much the better. A major failing of mine is thinking ahead to "where are we gonna put this stuff?"

I'd mail you one (for postage and the return of the box) but it really is pretty hot now for mailing them, even with freezer packs. If it gets cooler, you

I got my culture 27 years ago from a guy who had collected it originally in a forest preserve two decades before that. We have passed them all over the Lake Michigan region.

An advantage of having one's own culture is that they are available. After a generation or two they carry few or no fish diseases. Also, there are far fewer fish predators in a back yard barrel as opposed to a pond or even a vernal (temporary) pond. I would never bring home Daphnia from waters shared by fishes.

A couple books you might be able to get through inter-library loan are listed in http://www.guppylog.com/story/2007/3/17/185851/057

Please pardon the offering of the references below. It has been a long day, but see
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200010/msg00329.html
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200405/msg00261.html
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200207/msg00431.html

See also conversations here with methemom on Daphnia and
search http://fins.actwin.com/
for even more.

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Re: If you read the old books such an Innes' (none / 0) (#4)
by Quinngrl82 on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 05:24:59 AM PST

Thanks for all the info on the daphnia. I might take you up on your offer of me paying for shipping and handling and than mailing the box back when the weather cools off. All depends on the cash flow.
Thanks again for all the helpful info you've given me the past couple of days on gourami, daphnia, and brine shrimp.

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I'll be around. In fact it is cooler now than (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 07:35:10 AM PST

expected a couple of days ago. I certainly understand the budgetary thing. It took years to gather too much fishy stuff.

One of the best foods for Daphnia is greenwater. Greenwater seems to have tremendous ability to suck ammonia products out of the water, if given good light and was used by old-timers in hospital tanks. (Shelter + good quality water allowed fish to heal themselves.)

If you have the tank, set it up with gravel and on a good light, much like you would for plants. Put a bunch of fish in and forget the plants. ;)

Greenwater consists of all sort of microscopic critters already in your aquarium water. The additional fish waste and light simply encourage an explosion of Paramecium, Euglena and the like. They are mostly protists, not algae despite being called that. They are mobile and hunt for food, but also have chloroplasts. Hence with light and as their numbers increase, the water turns green.

Daphnia are opportunistic filter feeders. They can take everything from pea soup mix to bacteria to newly hatched baby brine shrimp and mosquitoes. They surely can take protists.

Some circulation is useful and helps the oxygen exchange at the water's surface - benefiting both the fish and greenwater creatures. I will use a couple of filters without the filter media (which would screen out the greenwater creatures). So the inside of a sponge filter can be dropped to a tank's bottom without the sponge or a small power filter, without any filter pads will work admirably this way. One could also just use a length of hard airline tubing.

The greenwater, under good lighting, can be very prolific. Half the greenwater from a tank can be removed and fed to Daphnia daily. I'm gradually adding water to an Endler's tank even now since 45% was taken out yesterday to feed the Daphnia and give a neighbor a 3-gallon starter culture.

Baker's yeast is also a very good Daphnia food, but a little must be sloshed around in very warm water and then cooled. One only feeds enough of that yeast solution to lightly tint the water. Nothing is fed until the water clears. If too much is fed, the oxygen is sucked out of the water and all the Daphnia suffocate. If one is patient, many times a Daphnia culture will regenerate from eggs left by the Daphnia (this also applied to periods after winters, summers and when the squirrel drowned in the barrel outside). Keep them pretty full so varmints don't drown.

Outside, a little well composted cattle manure, leaves that fall in, a very little of that fermented grass solution used to lure mosquitoes, greenwater and  many other organic items can be used to fuel a Daphnia culture. Those books and URLs recommended back when will give quite a list. Hopefully in a couple of years we will have a list in an AKA publication as well.

With all of that water added to the Daphnia culture, water will have to be removed. Just as water changes are very beneficial to fish, so too Daphnia thrive with changes. I often take a cut open gallon jug and dip out Daphnia and water. That is gently poured through a fine meshed net over the garden (or a bucket about to go to the garden.) The Daphnia in the net is either released back into the culture or save in a jar for feeding. It will go through a set of three or four sieves which have been placed in the opening of a widemouthed gallon pickle jar. It is lightly rinsed and each sieve is emptied into a smaller jar of clean, seasoned water. That of course is conveyed by turkey baster to the appropriately sized fish.

And a whole lot of greenwater is returned to thew culture. Small amounts are just poured in. Buckets are left on an old wooden stool and siphoned in.

E-mail me off list when you are ready for some Daphnia, this year or next at
unclescott at prodigy dot net

That silliness is done so BOTS don't put me on any more mailing lists. ;)

Oh! In case you run out of reading on the subject:

http://www.thekrib.com/Food/daphnia.html


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If your local newspaper carries a comic called (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 01:31:54 PM PST

Lio, take a look at the comic for June 21.

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