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ill fish | 4 comments (4 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
I can not be for sure (none / 0) (#1)
by J-ME on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 06:21:56 AM PST

But it sounds like Hemorrhagic septicemia.  I have never had this in my tank but I do have something that says it will treat it. Fungus Clear, Tank Buddies.  I got them from WalMart to treat Tail Rot.  Also where you said that the females tail was split, she could have split fin or clamped fin. The Fungus Clear will treat the Clamped fin but does not say anything about the Split fin.  As for the white stuff we need to know what it looks like.  Are the scales standing up?  Does it look like a film or like cotton?

I mean its hard saying without being able to see your fish.  

I could also be wrong so make sure you read everything is the IM Help at the upper right of the screen and everything else that everyone else puts in.  

Keep us updated on what you are doing to help your little ones out.

I voted for 1 for this.
Happy fish keeping :-)



Hey debman! That sounds like a great tank (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:53:41 AM PST

to start with.

Was the tank dry or without fish for a time? Unfortunately that would mean that virtually all beneficial bacteria would have dried out or starved. That is something which your fish seller could have and should have told you. They, as much as you, are responsible for you adding too many fish. Also when you draw from a couple of shops, without quarantining the fish, I fear that you dramatically increase the chance of diseases being introduced.

Was that white spot what is often called Ich? What did you treat it with? I'm glad that it went away. If it was Ich, you need to continue the treatment for 9-14 days. (See the cycle of the stuff in IH.)

Also, you can do your fish a huge favor with partial water changes of 25%+ at least once a week, more if possible. Do treat your water with whatever water conditioner your LFS (Live Fish Store) suggests will deal with all of the harmful stuff put in by the water department. Let the water sit, top open, for a day or more if possible (seasoning water). By gravel vacuuming a part of the tank before each water change you also get a lot of the Ich organisms in the gravel out of the tank. If you take out 25% of the water, add 25% of a treatment dose with the new water.

I ran over your post and did a cosmetic proofing. "have added filer start" stumped me. Is this an additive of beneficial bacteria? That is a terrific idea if so. Follow the instructions as faithfully as you can. Please, when the crisis has calmed, tell us more about the product.

Kudos for testing and reading as much of IH as you can.  I realize it all can be pretty overwhelming. I have to re-refer to it from time to time too.

The numbers from your tests don't sound too bad and that is a little puzzling. Ich sometimes results from the fish being chilled. 24C isn't too bad, but while treating for Ich, can you walk it up a degree a day for three days?

J-ME may be right about there being a bacterial problem. The frequent partial water changes, with treated water of the same temperature as that of the aquarium will remove stuff the bacteria is living upon, will remove some of the bacteria and may enable the fish's immune systems to more effectively combat the bacteria. The more partial water changes, if done right, the better a chance for survival the fish will have.

If there are no bacterial outbreaks, it could just be Ich, the water changes, done right, will still be beneficial.

Be really careful to not over feed. Everything should be consumed in a just couple of minutes.

A lot of people suggest belting the tank with an antibiotic for bacterial things. Putting the fish in a hospital tank for that might be better. Medicating the regular aquarium with an antibiotic will kill most all of the beneficial bacteria which break down the ammonia and nitrite. That leaves the fish swimming in a broth of toxic wastes and probably kills even more fish.

You are one the right track in several ways. Hang in there!

Good luck and all the best!

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Re: I can not be for sure (none / 0) (#2)
by New Guppy Momma on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:14:15 AM PST

To add to what J-me said Fungus Clear should help with the split tails if it's caused by tail rot.

Otherwise it sounds to me like it's maybe the Nitrites. Do you know what those levels are or are they the ones meant by the nitrate posting. They look like the levels suggest NitrItes. If so a 25%-30% water chang eis needed.

You said you've had the tank for 2 weeks, Have you done any water changes yet? If not it's time to do one. Then keep up on your weekly changes.

Uncle Scott wrote a really interesting reply to one of my diary questions about water changes and how much we should be changeing every week. It sounds like twice a week 25% water changes (50% water changed in a week) are encouraged by some prominent people in the fish world. Here's the link if you want to check it out http://www.guppylog.com/story/2007/2/27/85712/1920

If the "white spot" sickness was Ich then the treatment for it wasn't long enough. I've read that Ich/Ick should be treated for a week or two after all the spots disappear. Were the white spots looking like someone had salted the fish or dipped it in sugar? That's what Ick kinda looks like (most of the time). If it just looks like white puffy bumps then it could be some type of fungus and the hemorrhagic septicemia is a secondary infection. Fungus Clear should help with both of those conditions. If using fungus clear make sure to remove any carbon from the filter and any biofilter that may be in the filter box. Also you may need to re-cycle the tank after treating with the fungus clear.

Good luck and let us know how things go. Also next time post a diary. They get noticed sooner and thus people respond quicker.
Before all else fails....do a 25% water change ;)
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