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Plant Quarantine | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Hey Firejammer! (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:39:34 PM PST

Your idea of quarantining plants is very wise. Salt is a good soaking agent, but with some plants, the plants might perish before the attendant critters do. As it gets so cold outside that bleaching hard surfaced aquarium equipment isn’t very effective, putting something (indoors) in a saline solution is about our best option. 16 ounces of salt per gallon of water makes seawater (roughly), so such a solution should be effective on freshwater equipment. Otherwise, with stuff from brackish water or marine tanks, one must go “super-saline.” Or maybe a fresh water soak would be best for equipment from a saltwater tank.

Odds are that the little whitish creatures you saw were not one of a couple of species of Ich since the white spot on the Ich-afflicted fish is a cyst (trophozoite). That is the visible stage but it contains a rapidly dividing crowd of organisms, which will split into a couple hundred to a thousand trophonts. When those free swimming trophonts are let loose into the tank, those can (hopefully) be treated or killed by a UV unit or maybe mostly sucked out of the tank by a diatom filter, Those swimmers are probably invisible to most of us.

What you saw could be dangerous to the fish. They also could have been Cyclops, dangerous to small fry (usually smaller than guppy new-borne), food to larger fish. It is also possible that they are other crustaceans which usually are food animals to guppies but sometimes predatory and sometimes (if they came from water in which fish live) carriers of parasites and diseases. I would have treated the plants too.

You may not have had a chance to click on the Immediate Help link in the upper right hand corner of most Guppylog pages. Please do that, then scroll down to Plants and specifically find “Cleansing New Plants.” That Immediate Help page might be useful to you in other ways too.

That involves alum. By losing a fish, I discovered that the plants shouldn’t be left in the alum for hours since they evidently don’t shed it all that quickly if they have had a chance to actually absorb some of it. However a treatment of 20 or 40 minutes and rinsing/ soaking them (maybe in a full wide-mouthed, soap-less gallon pickle jar) a few times should clean them off.

You probably could soak the moss (willow moss or Fontinalis antipyretica?)  ) and its rock, if you have a clean and soap-less container big enough for both and the solution. Do rinse/soak the rock well. Hopefully it is a hard rock and will absorb little alum. (Soft rocks like limestone dissolves a lot into the water and shouldn’t be used.)

Alum is also used by some municipal water treatment facilities. That got me very twitchy but chemist Charles Harrison (also a GL member) informed me that the alum is put into cloudy water and particles are drawn to the alum molecules and they precipitate out of the water. That process is called flocculation.

It is better letting “them” do that at the water purification facility, not in our aquariums. ;) There is a product commercially available which is supposed to clear water in our aquaria. I’d guess that while alum isn’t involved there, that some sort of flocculating process is supposed to take place.

I have also quarantined some plants, which do not need rooting, to see if they will have any hair algae on them. Najas, Java fern, Java moss, water sprite and the like still need adequate light during that time.

To my delight, a trio of American flag fish cleaned up all of the hair algae in a tank this summer. They left the Java ferns and Java moss alone. I was amazed and delighted. HOWEVER I took every other fish out of there first because the American flags (Jordanella floridae) would chew up guppies pretty badly. J. floridae will also eat the odd duck weed missed up a clean up, but they can’t keep up with lots of duckweed.

There are a few other fishes, which will eat hair algae (black ruby barbs) or a limited amount of duckweed (the killie Fundulus notatus or the rainbow cichlid, Herotilapia multispinosa). However with the possible exception of some suckermouth catfishes (family Loricariidae) I wouldn’t trust any of those fish with guppies. :(

Thank you for posting your thoughts. Since there have been server and software problems here, participation and even visiting has dramatically dropped. I, among other regulars here, am also active at other sites and e-mailing lists, but we wish this site’s owner the best. We’d like to see him fix all of the technical difficulties. (Dear Santa, please give Scott Lockwood 48-hour days.)

If you wish to post to Guppylog again, please just make a new diary entry. People will see it sooner.

Glad you (probably) kept clicking the reload button until you got in. ;)




You doubled dipped, submitting both a (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:45:02 PM PST

diary and a log. I didn't catch that when responding to the log entry.

The response to that was copied into a diary comment. The log was deleted.

No whistle, no foul. Just offer up a diary next time. :)

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Re: You doubled dipped, submitting both a (none / 0) (#3)
by firejammer on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 08:38:13 PM PST

The first one went somewhere other than where I had planned. It was a mess trying to submit. I retyped it about eight times. Thanks for the info.

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I'm sorry about your hassle with the typing. (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:45:22 AM PST

I'm active on another forum which is even more aggravating in that (with my windy answers) I'm always timing out. A couple of us have learned to type out a response off line. In my case that allows for spell checking some desperately awful typing too.

We've also discovered that all HTML is not the same.  When I copy from MS Word and paste it in here, the punctuation turns to a nonsense series of symbols. <sigh> I guess a little proofing is always important.

Last February I brought some plants home from a North Carolina pond. (In northeastern Illinois, just the idea of ambling around in a pond in February is pretty neat.)

I put them into a fairly well lit wide-mouthed gallon jar until I could get to them. Some of the plants died. Bacopa (there is a Bacopa carolina) Val and a larger (macro) algae, among others, did quite well. I think that the algae was Chara, which has also appeared one summer in the Daphnia cultures "out back" after probably being blown in as spores.

I gave the Chara to a teaching friend and it became a fixture in the class room rather than getting returned. Following your approach of wondering what would appear, I didn't rinse them very thoroughly when getting ready to bring them home. They had had most of their water drained and were tied in a deflated plastic bag in my luggage along with several other plants for the flight home.

The jar has had 50% partial water changes, when i was doing the fish tanks. When evaporation dropped their water level, R.O. water (without hardly any mineral) was used to top off the jar.

To my surprise and delight, more Chara showed up there this summer. Not only that, but a small bladderwort also "appeared." Bladderwort includes a couple hundred species of aquatic carnivorous plants. They feed on animal material through entrapping tiny critters such as protists and even tiny Daphnia in their bladders. One can see the bladders in this image:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Uk_pond_bladderwort2.jpg

Except that they might take too many microscopic (potentially fry food) animals from a guppy tank, I don't think that bladderworts are a threat to baby guppies. Now with tiny baby rainbowfish, gouramis, Bettas and lampeyes, that might be a different story!

Here's  bit more on them:
http://www.botany.org/Carnivorous_Plants/Utricularia.php

Obviously both plant fragments and spores were carried on the other plants and in a tiny bit of water into that jar. So if time and tank (jar) space are available, one could make a case for not
trying to treat the water for hitch-hikers, at least until most possible plant candidates have grown up.

I mentioned Cyclops before. They "appeared" in the outdoor Daphnia cultures, probably brought in from the remnant of a nearby wetland on whiskers of the ever intrusive raccoons. The varmints probably also were responsible for the sudden appearance of seed shrimp or Ostrocods one spring. While the Ostrocods haven't lasted long enough indoors to make inroads into any algae, they tend to bloom in the spring not long after some of than annoying bush algae starts to grow. A certain number of the veggie eating seed shrimp remain, mostly munching decaying leaves. The bush algae disappears until the next spring.

For images of Chara please check out:
http://biology.unm.edu/ccouncil/Biology_203/Images/Non-floweringPlants/chara.jpg
http://www.scientificillustrator.com/illustration/botanical/chara.html

Now if only Nitella would magically appear. :)

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