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is there risk involved in buying a used tank? | 14 comments (13 topical, 1 editorial, 0 hidden)
There is some risk. You might ask the seller (none / 1) (#1)
by unclescott on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 01:12:28 PM PST

why they are getting out of fish. If there was a serious die off, I would at least soak everything in a supersaline solution. A lot of aquarists quit and get discouraged when their fish had a die off. For some, this happens 6-12 months into the hobby, when the undergravel filter backs up and poisons everything. Others added too many fish before the aquarium cycled and the tank never really got going. Others specialized in over-feeding the fish or never doing partial water changes. :(

I'm soaking a couple of tanks (even as we speak) in a bleach solution (10 water to 1 bleach). Because it is so cool out and I don't know how fast the chemical reaction is taking (to burn off organics), I'm letting it go a couple of days. Then the aquariums and a plastic top will be put into a barrel with a dechlorinating solution (sodium thiosulfate).

In this weather one might use cheap surgical gloves, the sort sold for home projects. The few cents per glove is really worth it to keep one's hands more or less dry. :)

Bleaching is my usual way of dealing with mysteries. Any gravel has been previously poured off into a ceramic coated steel "soup pot" (before the tank is bleached). That is left with the cover reversed in the oven at 225 degrees for six hours and then allowed to cool over night. The oven will generate less of a stink than just boiling the gravel on the stove. What i really wish I had was a camp stove which could be used outside.

It may be good to rinse the gravel first. ;)

Some items can not take either of those treatments, so be careful.

All the best!
uncle scott



Re: There is some risk. You might ask the seller (none / 0) (#14)
by helema23 on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 11:27:55 AM PST

where do you get your sodium thiosulfate and is it cheap all they sell here for under 4 bucks is phosphate buffers which as we know reaks havoc in planted tanks!!! and anytime they have sodium thiosulfate it is 15 bucks for 2 ounces of it!!!
helema
i am guppied hear me mew
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Re: There is some risk. You might ask the seller (none / 0) (#9)
by lomelindi on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 01:34:37 PM PST

*chuckles* Funny you mention the UG filter backing up... I remember a tank I had when I was a kid... we had an under-gravel filter paired with a waterfall-type filter in it, and the UG was never.. NEVER cleaned.  My mom was the one who took care of it, and I never knew any better, but you know.. to my memory, we never had any sick fish, and they rarely died.  And there was an assortment in there, not just hardy fish.  And come to think of it, that same tank now resides in my dad's house, and I'm willing to bet the bottom of it has never been cleaned out.  Not even in between houses.

You know, I'm actually going to have to ask my dad about that one.  That's an odd thought. o.O

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Re: There is some risk. You might ask the seller (none / 0) (#3)
by angelhologram on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 05:08:58 AM PST

Unc, do you add water in the soup potand then put it in the oven so it kind of boils or put it in dry so it's more of a bake?
Also we have talked before about putting things (nets, hoses, etc) outside in cold weather (or in the freezer) to kill off any creepy crawlies, could this method also be used for gravel?
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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LOL! I'd put water to an inch or so above the (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 03:03:52 PM PST

gravel or whatever. Else the smell would be awful and whatever was being "cooked" might be hopelessly scorched. As a person who knows that breakfast is ready when the smoke alarm goes off, I have probably done worse. ;)

Today I was pulling a bunch of old spawning mops out of a box which over wintered outside. About three at a time were boiled (more and they get all tangled up). Debris was pulled out and the strands were separated first. Then hot water was run into the soup pot until the mops were an inch or two under water. When that was all really boiling, I would wander off to do something else (feed the chickens, sop the hogs, milk the cows...) When I happened back into the kitchen, I would turn off the heat, grab some hot pads and drain the hot water down the laundry sink, rinse with cold water, squeeze out the mops and reload with more mops to be boiled. The last load will probably be put on the middle of the fishroom (cement) floor and used as radiant heat. :)

Those acrylic mops (wind 100 strands around a book, tie one side together, cut the other end and float using a rinsed medicine bottle - that is why my fish have such great blood pressure) are used as spawning surfaces for fish who hang eggs on plants. Goldfish, rainbowfish and many killies immediately come to mind. They can also be used as shelter for LIVEBEARER fry and females in tanks too dark for plants.

I first had the soap pot outside with gravel. I still boiled it. That may have been a mistake in that it was coated (colored) gravel in some tanks I was cleaning up for someone else. I'd forgotten about the coatings. Oops!

Freezing will get a lot of critters. Some creatures and diseases have cysts (everything from Daphnia to Ich) and may be able to over winter in that form. Freezing and/or sun drying will work in a lot of cases. That is great on rests between healthy tanks.

One needs to know what they are combating. If one doesn't know their enemy well, boil them. ;)

ATB!
unc

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Re: LOL! I'd put water to an inch or so above the (none / 0) (#10)
by lomelindi on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 08:14:42 PM PST

"One needs to know what they are combating. If one doesn't know their enemy well, boil them. ;)"

Classic. :)

You know, as I read through this bit, I was entirely believing that you would end it with "And even after the mops had dried out for a month, and I'd boiled them for hours, wouldn't you know it, I still found a few mystery fry in there.  They're currently growing out in a spare tank.  So far, they might be the guppy strain I was working on three years ago."

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Boiling will do in any eggs or fry unfortunate (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Sun Apr 16, 2006 at 09:23:50 PM PST

enough to get stuck in there. Bacteria and germs go away too. I do try hard to make sure that no fry and few eggs get stuck in a mop.  I did once carry a baby guppy with some plants to a clown killie tank. I got all excited, thinking there was already a young Epiplatys annulatus. Boy was I bummed out when it developed a gravid spot!

However the practice of introducing plants from tanks with very different fish has proved useful. When the guppy was removed, there were annulatus fry and some pairs did grow up there. There were no hybrids.

There are times when it seems like fish are "spontaneously generated," though I hear that the concept has been out of fashion for some centuries. ;)

Was baby sitting about 23 tanks for a friend who took his wife on a much deserved vacation. When they returned home a couple weeks later, there were 27 tanks, bowls and a bucket containing fish. The situation I was most proud of was that waste water bucket. Some peat moss had been dumped there. I saw fry, pulled the bucket off to the side and fed it freshly hatched baby b.s. It turns out that they were late hatching annuals, and one of the more treasured of the annual killies, Nothobranchius rachovii. If you take a look at http://images.google.com/images?q=Nothobranchius+rachovii&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
you will see why I was pleased to leave them for my friend. :)

That did start a tradition of nurturing mystery fish once in a while. However as a rule I will rotate plants and tanks between quite different species or genus or even families. So a livebearer tank may become home to a rainbowfish and then a small killie and later home to a large predatory killie which looks quite different. Fish are often much less tolerant of the fry of another species, than of their own. That keeps most of those anomalies from even coming to my attention. On the rare occasions when something does survive the rotation, they are pretty easily identified.

Different guppy or gardneri or Chromaphyosemion strains are raised on different sides of the room. That way "adventurers" have little chance of messing up another strain, despite their travels.

ATB!
unc

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Re: LOL! Breakfast (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 12:05:47 AM PST

 "As a person who knows that breakfast is ready when the smoke alarm goes off,"

Hahahahahahahaha!
--
Repeat after me,
I will read the Immediate Help
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Soap pot is, of course, soup pot, unless one is (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 03:06:25 PM PST

leaving the hobby.

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Re: There is some risk. You might ask the seller (none / 0) (#2)
by ShannyG on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 01:23:15 PM PST

Thanks very much, in a short time I've come to value the insights gained here.
I had a second question which was about a large decorative seashell that I put in each of my growing out tanks.  I rinsed them well first but could they harbour disease/parasites?  I didn't even think of it until they were already in the water.  My babies like to dart in and out of them though.

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I'd have soaked them in salt. Potassium (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 03:17:55 PM PST

permanganate would stain them. I would be afraid that bleach might score them, though I have beached shells from hopeless tanks.

Since your fry are doing well, it "ain't broke." Don't fix it.

Stuff found on the beach usually should be soaked. Use freshwater for marine shells, saltwater for freshwater shells. I always wonder what/who is still in there.

Better to soak than be sorry. This is where getting a couple of fairly inexpensive buckets (an "In" and an "Out" bucket) just to be used for the fish is good. I would bleach (outside in the shade) in the Out bucket so it gets cleaned up too.

If you have a bunch of aquaria, it may be worth your while to buy a couple rubbermaid 32-gallon trash cans for the purpose. I still use them outside, whenever the weather allows. (I'm gambling that no freeze at this point will freeze them very solid.) Tops keep the bleach in one and the sodium thiosulfate (the dechlorinator in all dechlorinators and in the photographer's hypo solution) from dissipating into the atmosphere. Most dirt, critters and kids can be kept out too.

After a couple summers, I feel safe storing water or raising Daphnia or fish in them. If they release plasticizers, I hoping (knock on wood) that those have leached out.

All the best!
unc;e

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