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Contagious fish diseases to humans? | 12 comments (11 topical, 1 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Contagious fish diseases to humans? (none / 0) (#1)
by miskairal on Sun Feb 26, 2006 at 12:53:47 PM PST

A Zoonose is the term for a disease that is transmitted from animal to human, which is a very odd term in my opinion because humans are just animals.

I've deleted the diary entry :)
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There are indeed a few fish diseases which can (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 12:51:18 PM PST

be conveyed from fish to people. The dangers for aquarists are nowhere nearly as great as for those who who collect them. In South America, we kid about getting eaten by the fauna, though actually natives to the Amazon basin fear stingrays and the Candiru (little parasitic catfish) the most. In Africa it is the micro-fauna which can eat one from the inside out which is even more frightening to me. A few of these may come into the hobby. I know of one guy, who has been to East Africa a couple dozen times, who does take his medication for Schistosomiasis or Bilharzia. In the past that disease (the main hosts are snails, but free swimming larvae can get into a  cut on a human fast) has been "limited to African and the Middle East. (Not only, "Don't drink the water, don't get cut in the water.") It has now been found in The Amazon basin, the Lesser Antilles (the smaller Island in the Caribbean chain), several countries in Southeast Asia, Indonesia and China - presumably the south.

See: http://www2.ncid.cdc.gov/travel/yb/utils/ybGet.asp?section=dis&obj=schisto.htm&cssNav=browse oyb

If you wish to search Guppylog, try going to www.google.com and searching for "Guppylog whatever."

Aquarists do get fish TB, also called fish-keeper's finger or Mycobacteriosis. Although the bacteria is common in aquaria, it is seldom a problem for people. The fish are very unlikely to get a lethel infection of it if we don't crowd them or fall behind in partial water changes with seasoned water. If we as aquarists keep any hands with cuts out of the aquarium, we will be extremely unlikely to ever contact anything. Since my misadventure, if I get cut around the fish, I stop what I am doing, vigorously rinse the cut under a faucet, make sure it bleeds to clean it out and pout a little hydrogen peroxide on it.

This weekend I packed up seven entries for a killifish show in nearby Indiana. In the process of stumbling around, with too little sleep, I took a small puncture in a little finger. I cleaned up and continued to put the killies in the bowls which they would be shown in. Late Saturday night, I packed up my fish and helped catch and bag a number of pairs designated for Sunday's auction. Only as I was doing it that did it occur to me that I was still using that hand to catch and bag fish.

Sunday morning that little nick was a bit swollen and sore. That was really scrubbed and soaked in the shower. Today that is almost completely healed up.

Such TB bacteria are not the ones which cause the human TB. In most cases, if we clean up (remember I am in no way a physician), our immune systems and staying out of aquaria, once we realize we have a cut, will protect us. In the one to 999,000 chance I still get fish TB in that finger, I will mention that in GL.

Please see:

Mycobacterium, Mycobacteriosis or Fish TB
http://www.guppylog.com/comments/2005/7/22/202047/200/1

http://www.guppylog.com/comments/2006/1/29/162213/643/2
is a part of the hole in the stomach series. Towards the end I mention Adrian Tappin’s very useful site and how I got “fish-keeper’s finger” and then got rid of it.

There is also mention in a couple of places about how humans can catch Camallanus. (See Immediate Help.) Almost universally it has to do with people eating raw or undercooked fish.

However if those wee beasties are seen extending from a fish's vent (they are releasing larvae) we do ant to treat our fish carefully and soon. That is why I recommend getting the charcoal out of the filter and immediately treating a Camallanus infested aquarium with the anthelmintic Levamisole. I really don't want to be sucking on a siphon hose just then. Well, ok, I would, but verry carefully.

If you are uncomfortable with putting your hands in such water, get a package of cheap surgical gloves (such as we use for putting varnish and stains on window frames.)

I'm sure there are some of the over 100 parasitic worms which afflict fish which we wish to be careful of. Some, perhaps many, are species specific. Some fish diseases generally afflict cold-blooded creatures.

We may have a far greater chance of catching things from our cat or dog than our fish. For instance, Dipylidium caninum is a tapeworm, which can infect dogs, cats and people. It uses the flea larva as an intermediate host.

Fish can get tapeworms. Many tapeworms are species specific. In a month we are hosting the Chicago Killifish Association's annual regional show. One of our guest speakers is limnologist (and author) Terry Fairfield. I will e-mail him your question and see if he can address it then. I don't think I have a right to demand an answer right now.

If anyone lives nearby and would like to attend that show - the show and Terry's presentation is free - Y'all are welcome to attend. Details are at http://chika.aka.org/

I will try and look more at this later in the week. There are a zillion errands still to run, something about a tax return and FAFSA submission, a date with my first wife tonight, the continued acclimation and return of those show fish to their homes or improved homes and, oh yes, the need to find separate quarantine facilities for the two pairs of new killies which followed us home Sunday. ;)

Like you, I'll get to Googling for zoonose (sounds like a Ben Stiller movie) and zoonotic diseases, later this week.

Thank you for a string of great questions. You're putting us through our paces. :)

You got some great answers to your first question - though the afflicted fish could have been treated for Camallanus and left while you are gone. In fact, if that animal really had Camallanus, all of the other fish in that aquarium were exposed to the larvae and have it now anyway. You will need to treat that tank in the near future (a couple of weeks at most)!

All the best!
uncle scott

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Re: There are indeed a few fish diseases which can (none / 0) (#5)
by aurorahorse on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 01:18:33 PM PST

Thanks Scott! It's definitely not C worm...I saw pics...and I actually had a fish with it sometime back years ago...I just didn't know what type of worm it was then. The one this weekend's poor fish sounds most like tapeworm. I started the guys left on some new internal parasite food today...so we'll see. I'm glad it's not the C worm...that looked nasty!=:-o

Interesting is that I had no deaths for a while and suddenly 4 in a week...right after I bought some fish from Petsmart...I returned them today and got credit to buy new fish food (I'm chucking all the old stuff and buying fresh).

I'll definitely be interested to know what the speaker says.:)

Dawn

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Are you sure the problem comes from the food? (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 02:38:52 PM PST

Unless you are feeding infected live foods, I would guess that fish would most likely be infected by critters in a Petsmart. While their sand filters sound very efficient compared to what may be found in many shops, if young parasites are being released by something, would they be swept from tank to tank, because of the central filtration system, until they got to that sand/ gravel filter?

Or could those infections have happened at the wholesaler's or fish farm? (A? B? C? D all of the above?)

Goof off that I am, I really have become serious about quarantining new fish for a month and doing a preventative treatment for internal parasites and Hexamida. It seems that they have become so common in the stock of stores. Whether they are really more common in the big box stores probably is not known. The perception of that may be one by aquarists and the sight of neglected fish at the shop. I have also begun to realize that even fish in the stock of skilled aquarists may sometimes have problems. Think of how easy it is to spread water from one tank to another with a siphon hose!

I don't doubt that there can be illnesses spread by prepared foods or that at least that it is possible. I've just never heard of it. I will (sometime) look to see if worm egg capsules can withstand drying and cooking. (Camallanus are livebearers, not all parasitic worms are.)

While this doesn't sound like your situation, I am quite sure people have blamed the food for an aquatic disaster, when they over feed the tank and the food began rotting.

If the flake food container has only been open a few weeks and remains dry, there should be no problem. I think that the biggest drawback to feeding from a container after a month or so (high humidity and temperature probably help the food decline faster) would be in the loss of vitamins, especially vitamin C, which seems to be a kind of holy grail of fishfood now.

[In a wonderfully ironic twist of fate, about four  months ago, I was randomly recruited by a marketing research company to answer a bunch of questions for darn good compensation, if one counts by the hours. They wanted to know what I would buy, based upon the design, colors and stated contents on the fishfood can. I really wanted to ask if the contents were always as stated, ;) ]

All the best!
unc;e scott

Who still hasn't gotten to those new fish.

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Re: Are you sure the problem comes from the food? (none / 0) (#7)
by aurorahorse on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 06:02:57 PM PST

sorry...I threw out the food because it was REALLY old...I won't even say how old...I didn't realize there was such a short shelf-life. While I don't think it actually caused the illness, I'm sure the extensive loss of vitamins didn't help.:)

Dawn

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If there is a sticker on it which says vote for (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 06:08:12 PM PST

Reagan, Carter or Anderson, then it was too old. :)

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Re: Contagious fish diseases to humans? (none / 0) (#2)
by aurorahorse on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 01:28:42 AM PST

Thank you! I just realized I missed a link on the side..."Scoop Info"....and it's what I've been looking for...an explanation of what goes where and they why's and how's.;)

This site is fun!:)

Dawn

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Re: Contagious fish diseases to humans? (none / 0) (#9)
by miskairal on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 11:40:02 PM PST

You didn't miss that Scoop link, I just added it a day or two ago :)

A while back it used to be just a link to FAQ then we added the FAQs in brief and somehow the link to the Scoop page got lost in the process. I decided to have a fiddle a couple of days ago and realized it was missing and stuck it back with a new title.

To read the whole page about how Scoop works really does help you understand it more as it's not a common type of setup and is very different to the phpBBs.
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I'm really pleased that you are working to (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 12:58:45 PM PST

understand and become familiar with GL. That will make being here a lot more enjoyable and rewarding for you. But for searches, even of Guppylog, you probably will be better served with Google searches than the search function of the Scoop software. (See above).

I know that the Guppylog site owner is considering using a Google search, something like Guppylog+ . However he, like those long ago Pharaohs and their mummies, is a bit pressed for time.

ATB!
us


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I received a preliminary response (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 07:40:27 AM PST

I mentioned the possibilities of catching fishkeeper's finger (Mycobacteriosis) via a cut in the skin and Camallanus by way of sloppy siphoning to Terry.

Dr Fairfield responded, "Those are the two main problems that I am aware of also, but one must realize that water is the common carrier of all the diseases on the planet, so it is not out of the question that we could conceivably contract any number of diseases from our aquariums or when out collecting."

He further observed that we are at much greater risk of catching illnesses from our dogs, cats and birds. He welcomed the idea of considering the possibility of zoonotic illnesses at that round table, which will be now ... 25 days away. He also noted that the gentleman who will share a roundtable forum with him, Dave Franco, might be interested in throwing this around and have significant things to say. Dave has collected fish on a couple of continents, run a pet shop, managed a wholesale operation and been a skilled fish breeder for many years.

I'm off to e-mail Dave. Thank you for the additional topic for the workshop. Planting a question like this with presenters ahead of time does allow them to reflect on it, ask around and maybe do a little research of their own.

Sometime, maybe I'll get to the new Beta (not Betta) version of Google Scholar to look for that. Be my guest as well. :) Not everything found there is available to private individuals and one may have to settle for an abstract sometimes (and sometimes that is a blessing). One may be lucky enough to have a university library where they can use a computer and the university may subscribe to more of the journal services used by the journals searched by Google Scholar.

I would not just treat this as a segment of a roundtable discussion though. I do think that it is important that we are careful around fish, for the safety of both us and our fish. That is of importance to all of us at Guppylog.

I imagine we stand a greater chance of being hurt in an automobile accident (not a wish for anyone here) that by something around the fish. Bet we don't give up driving...though there are certain times of the day around here when certain places, just owing to congestion and construction, where we should give up driving.

All the best!
unc

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