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I can begin to imagine your frustration. I (none / 0) (#2)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 11:48:44 AM PST

wish it wasn't so.

Yesterday I left a few comments which, because my computer was "out of sorts" did not stick with GL. (WE had unplugged anything near the computer when out of town for a few days. Tired from the drive, I forgot to look at what usually happens when it is plugged in. The clock had reverted to January, 2001!
A simple fix - if one looks for it. ;)

I wonder if something got dumped into your creek upstream? Could there have been some agricultural waste, more or less accidentally  let into the water? That might account for what seems to be bacterial problems, despite your faithful water changes.

I'm not sure what would clear that up. Perhaps activated carbon - a lot of it in a filter in a holding container before introducing the stuff to the tank would help. Another possibility, especially if there was a detectable bacterial population in the water, would be to dump some hydrogen peroxide into the holding container. In that case I might then drop an active air stone in, after a day, to remove excess oxygen! Probably that latter isn't necessary because hydrogen peroxide, especially in light, is pretty unstable. But this one doesn't know.

More scary, could an herbicide or pesticide have been spread on a field too close to the creek. Now I'm also concerned for you and your family. I seem to recall you have a different source of drinking water, but not sure I would want to wash clothing  or water the garden with such stuff.

Not at all familiar with government agencies in Oz. Heck, I don't know as much as I wish about our own local governments. (Ironically we may know more about national governments, even as provincial or state and local governments often touch our lives the most.)

Is there a water control, conservation, reclamation district you could ask about your water problems or send a sample to? Do you have some sort of environmental protection agency (if it hasn't been emasculated by spending cuts like one country I suspect)? How about a governmental ombudsman you could go to who might be able to steer you to the right people?

I hope I'm wrong about something in the water. In cities around here though, sometimes sudden mystery deaths in consistently cared for aquaria, have been caused by water departments adding a big dose of something all of a sudden.

Most of the time such problems are not on account of the water supply, but when one goes through their usually litany of things to check and nothing seems correct, that might be an avenue to explore. I know of aquarists who have spent a lot of money sending water samples to universities. That's not my suggestion. Check the government agencies.

I wish I had noticed that yesterday's comment hadn't stuck before you went to town. And I could be entirely mistaken anyway.
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As for seahorses, they are neat. The consensus is that they are harder to keep than freshwater guppies. Part of that may be that people try to keep them in too small a tank or put in companions (almost anything) which take their food before they can. Baby brine shrimp may in part meet their needs, though in time even freshwater fish fed only baby b.s. will be malnurished. One photo common in old books shows an aquarist hand feeding a seahorse a baby guppy!

Do buy cultivated seahorses. They are being farmed some now. Since almost all species of seahorses are endangered (officially or just in reality) because of over collecting and habitat destruction, please seek those raised in captivity.

I think that once their marine tank is up and running and they are eating, you would be able to keep them comfortably. And, as you probably know, it is the MALE seahorses which get pregnant. ;)

One of the few companions which might be kept with seahorses are the Mandarin gobies -  really not gobies but "dragonets". Pterosynchiropus splendidus or Synchiropus splendidus or the Mandarin Goby, are also known as Mandarin Dragonet, Mandarin Goby, Green Mandarinfish,                               Stripped Mandarinfish,  Psychedelic fish. These are though are really finicky about what kinds of live foods they consume (or don't) and most of the millions taken annually usually starve in aquaria. They are also quite sensitive to water quality and seem to do best in reef aquaria where the Mysids, amphipods, isopods, benthic copepods), small worms and protozoans produced by the live rock meet their dietary needs.

Actually, you may want to skip the dragonets for now, even though I think they are even more interesting (though a little dumb) compared to the seagorses. Maybe when your reef tank gets mature, depending upon the agressiveness of other fishy residents, they might make sense in there.

I would look up dragonets though to get feeding ideas for seahorses. I don't know that even if they were alone, if seahorses would do well in a reef tank.

I noticed both seahorses and mandarins on a don't keep list, because of the above challenges in keeping them. They also list anemonies because of how all too many of them are starved for food and light in low budget marine set-ups.
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/saltwater/Gordon&Stuart_Don't_Keep.html

You have probably seen these. I need to look at them more closely:
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/saltwater/index.html
http://www.masla.com/seahorse.html

One of my favorites was this one on breeding them. Notice how he takes u.g. filters to task.
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/saltwater/Curran_Rodeo.html

All the best!
unc

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Re: I can begin to imagine your frustration. I (none / 0) (#3)
by miskairal on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 07:31:15 PM PST

Thanks for all that unc.

I could get in touch with the stream controller (Ross) here but I think he has his hands full at the moment trying to get irrigation water to the farmers. The Bjelke Petersen dam is only about 8% full and at current usage they predict it will be down to 1% by the end of June if the catchment areas don't get rain. The amazing thing is that they are not stopping irrigation now to keep water for the towns who are fed from the dam. Even Ross has bought tanks to collect his own water at his house in town but of course unless it rains they will be pretty useless. January 1996 was the last time the dam was full, 10 years ago!

Now you've got me thinking (as always), considering the dam is so low and there is no clean water running in, wouldn't that mean that the bacteria that are already in there would be...umm...can't think of the word but I mean the result would be more bacteria per ml of water? Maybe that's part of the problem. The dam feeds a weir upstream via a pipeline and that weir feeds our creek even though we live almost at the foot of the dam wall - all very complicated. I use a 50:50 mix of creek water and rain water for the tanks.

One good thing. It's probably not a herbicide because nothing much is growing at the moment.

I have on hand some very strong H2O2 that I bought to add to the goats drinking water years ago. It is 35% as opposed to the 3% that you usually buy in shops. Have you any idea what strength to use it at (I will look it up but you might have an answer way quicker than I can find one)? I will be putting carbon in the filters this afternoon to remove the medication anyway. It is a 3 day treatment and repeat every 3 days if symptoms persist. So far all is still good so I'd really like to remove the treatment. I may hold off until tomorrow though and do a water change then as well because I've been painting today and dont' want to risk contaminating their water with paint flecks on top of everything else.

On to the seahorses. My ultimate goal with my saltwater tank is a mandarin or two. I see they are often just called Mandarin fish now. I know I have to wait at least a year to get one and then I started thinking about the seahorse tank and realized it would be the perfect place for mandarins as well. My favourite petshop would never sell me one unless it was eating well but I also want a good supply of copepods for them too. I found a video clip on the net from a guy who put the food for the mandarin in a glass jar and lay it on the bottom of the tank so that the other fish can't get to the food. He found he had to use a very small jar or the bigger fish had worked out how to fan the jar so that the food would come out :)  The video shows the mandarins going in to their "restaurant" totally oblivious to the tangs etc hanging around the entrance.

Is there anything that can be added to RO water to make it usable in a freshwater tank? I have an RO unit for the salt water tank's water and you just add marine salt. It would be so easy if I could do something similar for the FW fish.

Ants! I hate ants! They are everywhere here at the moment trying to find moisture. While typing this one just toddled into my pc. Probably one of the ones that travelled back from Mackay with us in the car air con :(
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R.O. additives. (none / 0) (#4)
by unclescott on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 08:56:39 PM PST

If you can find some sort of Rift Lake cichlid salt, guppies would probably do fine in whatever they suggest for Lake Malawi cichlids. Lake Tanganyika is much more mineral rich. If they give a recipe for those cichlids, do a 1/3 recipe.

Seachem (a company here) makes something called Equilibrium. It is supposed to have all the useful and essential trace elements. It also is expensive.

What is at the bottom of the dam would be thicker than what is at the top. Who knows what the sediments might hold?

Industrial grade Hydrogen peroxide! I have no idea what concentration to use it as, though Googling water purification with Hydrogen peroxide might yield results. Suppose it would cause my hair would turn blond? Shortly before the hair disappeared... ;)

Use it before using the carbon block filter or whatever, so it burns out organics. Would it react with the carbon? Could you vigorously aerate it before adding the carbon filter?

Bet the mandarins would be fond of the baby seahorses. :0

All the best!
unc

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Re: R.O. additives. (none / 0) (#5)
by miskairal on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 10:46:48 PM PST

I have so far only found a dose rate of 8oz to 1000gallons - will have to get my handy converter programme out :)
I'm very nervous about using it and am wondering if potassium permanganate might be a better choice but will take a look at the cichlid info - thanks for the suggestion.

I never thought about the mandarin eating the seahorse babies but it might make a good food source for them. It's all a year or more away at least so I have plenty of time to learn more and think more.

Cheerio, there is a small threat of storms so keep your fingers crossed for us.
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"I'm very nervous about using it " (the (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 05:25:00 PM PST

highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide). Could you put on protective googles and pour it into a tank, outside? Maybe first add 11 or 20 parts water for every part of the H2O2, which gets added last. Pour in the evening. Just leave it in the sun for a few days and that stuff should break down.

Of course you could experiment by dumping it on the grass. If the grass turns brown(er) or goes away, it was still strong. ;)  (Still hope you got that rainstorm.)

I didn't realize how acid that declorinator, Sodium Thiosulfate can get, especially with use. Late one summer, dumped a trash can of that on the lawn.

The grass, in that spot, grew back the next year. ;)

All the best!
unc

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Re: "I'm very nervous about using it " (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:00:13 AM PST

It would definitely be a gloves and goggles thing!

We got a whole 8mm (about 1/3 of an inch I think) of rain which had dried up by lunchtime the next day with the hot dry winds. Unc there isn't any grass, brown or otherwise, to throw anything on really ;)

I did water changes on Wednesday and added carbon and on Thursday two more fish were dead that definitely hadn't been ill in any way the day before. That's both my juvenile blue tailed males gone :(  I love the blue tails but all the ones born here seem to die young. I dont' know how I actually end up with blue tailed fry as I would have thought their genetics would have died out long ago.

I think I'll end up having to start again fresh with guppies using one of my spare tanks that hasn't been used in many months and using something to decontaminate the water. I'm pretty disappointed b/c I will be visiting my favourite petshop next week (for saltwater stuff) where the guppies, although few in number, always look extremely healthy and my q tank would have been spare. The q tank is still housing the last of the fry who are big enough to go in with adults but seem to not be affected so far so I've sort of left them in reverse quarantine.
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