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Endler females with male guppies, Purists would be horrifed | 7 comments (7 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Clarification on tanks... (none / 0) (#4)
by Alisa on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 07:38:00 PM PST

The Gam gal is in my two gallon tank with the tiny endler male.  I had originally wanted to see if I could do a guppy hybrid but the males I have out in there have had no interest in her.  I wonder if she isn't mature enough yet to warrant any interest.  But as soon as the little endler (who doesn't even have a fully formed gonopodium he's so young) was madly in love with her as soon as I put him in.  His tiny tail already has a few smal nips in it, so now he's staying low.
The ten gallon houses the female endlers and the two male guppies.  I noticed these endlers are much more interested in schooling than guppies are.  Learn something new every day!
I really should start cycling up my extra ten gallon for the pure endler babies.  MTS strikes again!

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"I noticed these endlers are much more (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 08:10:49 PM PST

interested in schooling than guppies are."

That is an interesting observation. Fish that all turn at the same time and look like a precision drill team are the real schoolers. Many livebearers kind of hang out together. That is called shoaling. However several people have noticed a difference between the two species (or if you think they are the same) or "species" in how they shoal.

Poeser, Kempkes and Isbrucker have named the Endler's livebearer, or Campoma guppy as it is also known, as Poecilia wingei in a paper in the journal Contributions to Zoology. They placed both  P. wingei and P. reticulatus (the guppy) in the Poecilia subgenus Acanthophacelus.

The describers based part of the case for the new species on behavior. That is something aquarists are more likely to do than taxonomists. Poeser and Kempkes noted that a male wingei will stay with several females and youngsters in the same schoal. The male (or males?) will mate with the females and then not leave them.

Several on GL have mentioned how fry tolerant the Endler's are. Well fed guppies themselves are a lot more tolerant of fry than some other Poeciliids are (like Gambusia affinis), but cannibalism certainly is known ampng some guppies.

I'm sure there is some movement between wingei groups. But that is quite different from male guppies who are definitely into 3 minute stands. They don't interact any more with that female until the next time they are interested in procreative activity. "What's your sign?" "A fish." "That'll do."

I'm sorry I misunderstood which fish were with whom in your tanks. Glad the Endler's females are not with the Gambusia. It is time to start a sponge filter in an established aquarium. :)

I like sponges because they are not too expensive and they are easily cleaned, quick established biological filters. Some microfoods grow on their surfaces and you will see fry foraging there. And they don't suck up fry.

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Endler females with male guppies, Purists would be horrifed | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
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