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Just a few guppy baby pictures. :) | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: Just a few guppy baby pictures. :) (none / 0) (#1)
by aurorahorse on Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 06:25:57 PM PST

Pretty pictures, and what a cool pleco.:)

Hope this is not a dumb question, but the Endlers remind me kind of feeder guppies...what is the difference? I'm assuming there is one.

Dawn



Re: Just a few guppy baby pictures. :) (none / 0) (#4)
by lomelindi on Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 04:37:01 AM PST

There is often a little Endler's blood in feeder guppies, it seems.  I'm not sure why.  I wonder if there's a certain hybrid vigor?  I know mine seem a lot more hardy than normal guppies.

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That's an interesting observation about how there (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 12:17:42 PM PST

seems to frequently be a little Endler's blood in feeder guppies. (Guess I'm going to have to look more closely at feeder tanks.)

This may sound harsh, but most people who have spent a little time in the hobby will discover that they can get more money (or any money) or trades for either Endler's (P. wingei) or guppies, but much less for a cross. In effect, when someone tired of them, the crosses are culled and dumped in the feeder tank.

I once stupidly put some killie fry together in a grow out tank, thinking that they were the same line. (Note to self - do a better job of labeling tanks.) When they began coloring up, to my dismay, it became obvious that they were two color morphs of the same species with virtually identical females (Fundulopanchax gardneri Misaje and Nsukka). With a really heavy heart I gave them to a local shop as feeders.

At fish club auctions generic (aquarium strain gardneri) sell for 50-25% of what the pure strains sell for. It sounds a little snobbish, but as aquarists get more involved in the hobby, but still have limits on their space and time, they become a little more picky about what they buy.

That is not to say that they still do not try for crosses - curiosity is a hallmark of someone growing in the craft. They just learn not to indiscriminately spread around those crosses. It should be a controlled experiment within a set space. While guppy x Endler crosses and some of the mollie, Xiphophorus and some cichlid crosses certainly are fertile, it is a dirty trick to sell them as pure species or strains to some unsuspecting newbie.

Also, in many cases such as with killifish, the second generation (if there is a second generation) of a killie cross are a mules. How unfair to give or sell to someone a pair of fish, which may produce 100s of eggs, virtually all of whom are infertile! I once bought a pair of killies and it became evident that the female (so many of which look quite alike, especially with a genus) must have been a tank jumper. Curiosity took over and after months and some experimenting on incubation, two fry hatched and grew up to match an experimental cross in one of the books. (And the day they were put together the "male" killed the "female".) If that was my first pair of killies and they lay infertile eggs for months, I'd probably be keeping Bettas or cichlids (in addition to the livebearers) now. :)

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