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My friend needs help, no the friend is not me! | 4 comments (4 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Your friend and you have really done a lot (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 05:48:57 AM PST

of your homework! That is one of the classic recipes for breeding Bettas. (I've always wondered what a merchant thinks when someone buys several of those kerosene lamp chimneys.)

She really wants to put off breeding them, until she has the space to raise the fry. That one gallon tank would be an awfully confined space to even breed the adults. Removing the female w/o trashing the nest would be difficult and the fry would be very vulnerable to velvet in such a confined space.

I thought that there was something from GL on Breeding Bettas. The references below may be of some use though.

I like to breed Bettas and everything else "small" in ten gallon tanks chocked full of plants. The plants clean the water some, provide shelter and are home for all sort of microscopic life, smaller than newly hatched brine shrimp. Guppy and Betta fry can often be observed nibbling in stems and leave of plants. Probably they are hunting down rotifers and even smaller foods.

Hornwort is inexpensive and grows well. Najas, which I helped get started in my local Killie club, is so plentiful locally, it sells for only a buck a bag at meeting auctions. It is also nicknamed guppy grass.

If you have a fish club within your general area, someone would have a starter of those plants. If you are in a major urban area, there are undoubtedly members of the IBC (International Betta Congress). Sometimes a local IBC chapter is near too. If you lived near, I'd offer Najas starters to whoever could get a ride over.

Greenwater can also be used to feed really small fry such as Bettas, Dwarf Gouramis, lampeyes (small mouthed killies) and blue eyes (a type of rainbowfish). Keep a couple of pond snails in there and supplement with a little powdered egglayer food. Used a very gentle stream of bubbles from a piece of hard airline tubing. Any filter will began to filter out the greenwater. ;)

Additionally mosquito egg rafts can be collected and, one at a time, put into small fry tanks. Newly hatched mosquito larvae are softer-bodies than brine shrimp and a lot smaller than baby brine shrimp. However if a mosquito larvae avoids getting eater, at the age of one week, it might be able to take a baby Betta! I would watch for larger mosquito larvae and turkey-baster them out and in with the adult Bettas. (A good turkey baster, used only for fishy things, is a great fishroom tool!)

While your friend is saving the $ for a ten-gallon tank, heater, light, sponge filter, one piece of hard airline tubing, an airpump and airline, you both might start saving jars (soap-less and clean). People have purchased that weaving mat (plastic) from craft stores and cut it to fit over jars so the male Bettas don't jump out!

Some sort of tank top, even plastic wrap with a small hole in the middle, is useful to keep the humidity and temperature up in the space above the water. That aids nest building and seems essential for the proper development of the young. That hot, humid zone reproduced the air in their natural habitats.

Your friend will have to begin removing male Bettas, at a certain size, and putting them individually in jars. She will also need a warm place for those jars. (78-82 degrees F/ 26-28C is good.)

I have seen a couple of neat "Betta rooms" in closets. A light bulb heated one. A computer cooling fan circulated the air. :0

Hope this helps a little. You and your friend have gotten together some good info.

All the best!
uncle scott

As community fish
http://www.guppylog.com/story/2004/11/18/221140/36

Mosquito egg rafts & Betta fry
http://www.guppylog.com/story/2004/4/2/7012/03095

Guppy stuff, useful aside on velvet, a threat to Betta fry too
http://www.guppylog.com/story/2003/11/19/01418/836

Generating Greenwater:
http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.200010/msg00329.html
http://fins.actwin.com/live-foods/month.200204/msg00007.html

This is a Rainbowfish mailing list article, but it suggests some fry foods that worked well with his rainbows and possibly your Betta fry when very small:
http://www.peter.unmack.net/archive/rml/rmlmar98/0089.html

Continue to Google Breeding Bettas. :)

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Re: Your friend and you have really done a lot (none / 0) (#4)
by guppylvr1003 on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 10:20:07 AM PST

Thanks for the info! Lids are expensive, though, so do you think she could put a lamp over the tank? Sorry, I know that sounds stupid! I have a male betta and when I woke up this morning I looked in his tank and he had built a bubble nest! It was cute; I think he wants a girlfriend(lol)! Anyway, thanks again!
guppylvr1oo3
"When life hands you lemons, throw them in the face of the person who gave em to you"
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Get the dimensions of the top of a ten gallon (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Thu Jul 28, 2005 at 04:12:22 PM PST

tank. 10.5 inches by 20.5 inches would give you just a little overlap. Drop by your local hardware store and look for scraps in the window department. Acrylic bows and you'd have to turn it over once in a while, but it can be handy.

That creative canvas suggested for jar tops can be used, but it also bows and lets a lot of evaporation through.

Screens in frames or a frame built to the ten-gallon tank's dimensions have been assembled. Fiberglass screen will not rust. It is hard to shine a light through it. 1/2 inch fluorescent light grid has also been used, but there us evaporation through it.

Styrene ceiling lighting panel material, such as that sold at Home Depot doesn't bend. Cut carefully with a hacksaw blade. There is also a special, fairly inexpensive tool sold for cutting it. One can also use a variable speed Dremel with either the saw blade or the carbide wheel. The Dremel can be run at about 1/3 speed where you slowly score the styrene. Then increase the speed to only about 1/2 and slowly deepen the grove. This gradual approach is supposed to avoid chipping.

Here's one example:
http://chika.aka.org/library/tanklids/tanklids.htm

Scrap glass could also be cut to size - fit the inside of the tank frame. Have it cut into two pieces and silicone a marble or plastic tube in the middle of the narrower piece. That will give you a handle to raise that part. Also have them sand or grind the sides, so it isn't sharp and will not cut you. Perfect makes an all glass top like that. They have a silicone hung in it and plastic on the back, so space can be cut for heaters and airlines.

Speaking of heaters, so long as there is water flow, submersible heaters are more reliable and longer lasting. They are more expensive.

To really cheap out on a top, use plastic wrap. Just make sure it is tight. ;)

These are probably just a few of the thrifty tank tops one can put on an aquarium. I know there are extra materials, expensive in their own right, which one can sometimes talk hardware stores out of, because they are odd scraps. I have used scrap glass (including the sides of broken aquariums) and plexiglas. I appreciate them for their strength and transparency for lighting.

Several of these ideas were from the Killietalk Mailing List. If you were to go to Google, The Krib or http://fins.actwin.com, you will find a lot more.

All the best!
u.s.

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