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Tetras as a rule live in acidic waters. Those (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 02:43:55 PM PST

waters are often "soft" or lower in minerals than most temperate zone waters. There are exceptions such as the Mexican tetras and others from Central America. Most of the African and South American waters, where tetras come from, are both acidic and low in mineral content. Mollies are decidedly from hardwaters, rarely even brackish waters, all of whom have an alkaline pH.

Theoretically many fish can be kept in aquaria "so long as extremes are avoided." That may be drifting a little low for the mollies though.

You can ask your municipal water department for the reports on water quality and contents which they are supposed to give the EPA every now and again. What is normally a boring list of figures becomes much more interesting when one gets into the basics of water chemistry for their fish. ;)

There are several things you can do to push the pH a little higher. It may be that your tap water comes out at around 7, but doesn't have a lot of the carbonates which buffer pH up. Perhaps just an increased number of partial water changes will do the trick and return your pH to 7 or 7.2. ("They" want the water to be a little alkaline or the lead pipes begin to leach into our drinking water.)

You can play with the pH changing chemicals, but that can be a little tricky. Depending upon what is needed, you could try a teaspoon of a Rift Lake cichlid salt per 7 gallons of water (about what is in a "10-gallon" tank). Measure after a day and see what gives.

If that works, every time you remove and add 2 gallons in a water change, include about .2 of a teaspoon of the Rift Lake salts. If that doesn't raise the pH enough, you could try a little larger quantity of the Rift Lake salts.

You could also put a tufa rock in the tank. They dissolve a lot of material into the water. Alternatively oyster shell grit could be put in the filter box. You also could try adding 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda at a time to the aquarium.

You don't want to overdo it. (A spawning fish is a happy fish.) One of the "tricks" involved in getting tetras to spawn is to add some demineralized water (rainwater, Reverse Osmosis water, the more expensive water run through ion exchange resins or the even more expesive distilled water) in order to trigger spawning in many tetras, dwarf cichlids or rainforest killifish.

As an example of how to do it all wrong, I had a pair of the rainforest killie, Aphyosemion striatum (the Christmas killie) in a tank of Lake Michigan water with a tufa rock. They were laying no eggs. Next to them, I had two (hopefully a pair) of the Lake Tanganyikan Julidochromis ornatus. There were no fry.

After a little reading, I moved that tufa rock to the Julie tank, which began to increase the hardness and pH of the water. In the killie tank, I did a removal of 20% of the water and verrrrrry gradually siphoned in rainwater (using knoted airlibe tubing for a siphon) to drop the hardness of the water. pH depends upon different minerals than DH or general hardness, but the rainwater has neither and biological processes (basically food digestion and excreted waste material and the bacterial breakdown of that material) began to drop the pH.

Within two weeks, the striatum were not only laying eggs, but laying fertile eggs. And the julies? The "two" somewhat differently sized siblings dug a cave under that rock and there was a small school of fry cruising the vicinity, also within a couple of weeks. :)

If your fish procreate in your tap water, don't fiddle with it except for weekly partial water changes. But if they are hurting or not procreating and you want fry, read up on their native waters, check your local chemistry and adjust accordingly.

Please let us know what you decide to do and how it comes out.

All the best!
uncle scott



Re: Tetras as a rule live in acidic waters. Those (none / 2) (#2)
by PeterW on Sun Jun 12, 2005 at 03:06:46 PM PST

My personal opinion is to try not to mess with water chemistry too far if you can help it.  Directly tinkering with pH can lead to big disasters quickly.

As unclescott said, find out what your water supply pH is.  I'd wager that it is on the alkaline side of things, probably in the 7.5 - 8.5 range.  Also, measure your tap water before it goes in the tank.

If your incoming tap water is alkaline and your tank has ended up acidic, then it must be buildup inside the closed tank system that is causing it.

If your water is weakly buffered (KH) then just a little bit of organic buildup will cause the pH to drop rapidly.  Higher KH levels give you more room to neglect things like water changes before the dissolved organic compounds etc cause the pH to drift too low, but it will still happen.

The byproducts of the nitrogen cycle tend to turn water acidic too.  There are a lot of forces that are pushing pH downwards in an aquarium.

Anyway, if the incoming tap water is higher pH, it may be as simple as needing to increase your water change frequency. This can solve lots of problems.  Note I said frequency, not percentage.  If you're changing once a month, try every weekend (or two) and see how it goes.

IMHO try to resist the temptation to put things like 'pH up' chemicals in there.

BTW: check your water hardness too.  Again, as unclescott mentioned, tetras like soft acidic water and mollies like hard alkaline water.  Chemistry that one will thrive in will not suit the other.  If you have both in the same tank, you're going to have to compromise on this.  The reason I mention hardness (GH) is that I've found that my soft tap water (san francisco east bay area) causes all sorts of problems for my livebearers.  I've had to add salts (either aquarium salt or various other salts)

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