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selling guppies in UK? | 3 comments (3 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Welcome to Guppylog Bagira! (none / 1) (#1)
by unclescott on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 10:24:16 AM PST

I don't think most of us in the list have any experience with breeding and selling guppies in the UK. I wouldn't be surprised to find that shops have a license for selling livestock.

(One person complained on an on-line list of a push in the UK to force everyone, aquarists and shops, to have a license for EVERY species which they possess. I don't think that nightmare had taken place and hope that it doesn't. Sometimes arranging a civil conversation between political representatives and aquarists can convince the political representative that such action would trash a pretty wholesome hobby. I hope those rules never happen.)

We have had a couple of members from the UK on Guppylog. If you were to go to Google and search for heading like Guppylog UK or Guppylog British Guppies, you would get the following (among others?)

http://www.guppylog.com/story/2004/1/3/162238/9988
Some of the response also offer some references.

Also check out the Viviparous site
http://home.clara.net/xenotoca/

Unfortunately, I think there was an all UK guppy association and it folded some years back. However there is a Federation of British Aquarium Societies. There's a chance one of those below is near you. Certainly there should be members who could help you. You may also discover that you fish bring a better price at their annual auctions than they would being sold for whole sale (which in the U.S. is often 1/3 to 1/6th of retail and then often in store credit.) You may also find that the aquarium clubs are good places to get fish seldome found in shops. Also the quality and health of "club fish" may be better than what is found in the shops.

There is also a World Guppy Association. They do provide information and contacts on quite a number of shows and groups. See
http://www.world-guppy.de/

Please try the group nearest you. So that we better understand the British guppy hobby, would you let us know what you find?

Thanks and all the best!
uncle scott

Scotland:

Greenock & District Aquarist Society
http://www.scotcat.com/gadas.html

Meetings take place at the Crawfordburn Community Centre, Bawhirley Rd., Greenock, , every second Tuesday of each month except July.

Scotish Shows (so far) for 2005

Shows scheduled for the year 2005.

 Club     Venue      Date
Glenrothes A.S.     Jubilee Community Centre, Stenton, Glenrothes, Scotland.     22nd May

Perth A.S.     The A.K.Bell Library, Glasgow Road, Perth, Scotland.     14th August

Catfish Study Group (UK)     St Elizabeth's Church Hall Aspull. Wigan, England.     18th.Sept.

United Kingdom:

THE FOLLOWING 2005 SHOW DATES
and
OTHER EVENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED

(Telephone numbers for latest information or click on underlined links)

Unless stated otherwise, FBAS Show Rules apply

Yorkshire Cichlid Group Auction (01924 367086)                                   13th February
Castleford Auction (01977 730754)                                                       15th February
Catfish Study Group CONVENTION (01257 499988)                             20th February
FBAS GENERAL ASSEMBLY (01983 613575)                                            5th March
Ashby F.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (YAAS RULES) (01724 347995)     6th March
Merseyside A.S. AUCTION                                                                       6th March
Goldfish Society of Great Britain A.G.M. & MEETING (01375 670645)    19th March
Catfish Study Group AUCTION (01257 499988)                                     20th March
Association of Southern Aquarist Societies OPEN SHOW                          2nd April
(01983 721246 Email: guppygoldfish@aol.com)
Oldham A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (FNAS RULES)                              3rd April
Greater Manchester Cichlid Group AUCTION                                           10th April
Kirkaldy A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (USA RULES)                             10th April
(01738 634689)
Preston & District A.S. AUCTION (01172 321145)                                     17th April
Castleford A.S. MINI AUCTION (01977 730754)                                   19th April
Hull A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (01482 473935) (YAAS RULES)      24th April
Strood A.S. OPEN SHOW                                                                        24th April
Southend, Leigh & D.A.S. OPEN SHOW                                                      7th May
(01208 472095 E-MAIL: cheswright@blueyonder.co.uk)
Ryedale A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (01751 472715) (YAAS RULES)     8th May
GROCKLEMANIA. SOCIAL WEEKEND (01983 721246)                       13-14/15 May
Isle of Wight OPEN SHOW (01983 566810)                                              15th May
Goldfish Society of G.B GENERAL MEETING (01375 670645)                    21st May
Corby & D.A.S. OPEN SHOW                                                                      22nd May
Wyke A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (YAAS RULES)                                 22nd May
Castleford A.S. MINI AUCTION (01977 730754)                                      29th May
FBAS GENERAL ASSEMBLY (01983 613575)                                              4th June
Bristol T.F.C. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (01633 277177)                           18th June
Assoc. Midland Goldfish Keepers OPEN SHOW & AUCTION                      25th June
(NGS RULES) (01785 251974)
Preston & D.A.S OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (FNAS RULES)                        26th June
(0151 289 8190 E-Mail: paul.dickson@mersey mail.com)
MIDDLESEX OPEN SHOW full information HERE                                       3rd July
Y.A.A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (YAAS RULES) (01724 347995)           3rd July
Port Talbot A.S. OPEN SHOW (01639 779728)                                           9th July
Club 2000 OPEN SHOW & AUCTION                                                        10th July
Merseyside A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION                                                17th July
Solway A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION                                                       24th July
Grimsby & Cleethorpes OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (YAAS RULES)                7th August
(01472 812721)
BRITISH AQUARISTS FESTIVAL (0161 652 6207) (FNAS RULES)   13th-14th August
FBAS GENERAL ASSEMBLY (01983 613575)                                              3rd September
Otley A.S. OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (YAAS Rules)                                     4th September
(01274 531418 email: otleyaquaristsociety@yahoo.co.uk)
Mid-Sussex A.S. OPEN SHOW (01903 820879)                                          11th September
Hounslow & D.A.S OPEN SHOW (01753 645675 dickmills@tiscali.co.uk)     17th September
together with
SPASS Coldwater Show (IGS Rules) (0208 942 9021, 0208 941 5314)       17th September
Catfish Study Group OPEN SHOW (01254776567 01942 248130)              18th September
see HERE for further details
Goldfish Society of G.B OPEN SHOW & AUCTION (IGS RULES)                   1st October
(01472 353615)
Festival of Fishkeeping (Bracklesham)                                                          15-16th October
see HERE for further details
Preston & D.A.S AUCTION (01772 321145)                                                  16th October

See also http://www.iowas.co.uk/grocklemania.html
GROCKLEMANIA  3rd weekend in May
Hosted by the Isle of Wight Aquarists’ Society




Re: Welcome to Guppylog Bagira! (none / 0) (#2)
by angelhologram on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 06:24:44 PM PST

  Thorough as usual U.S., but may I add one more item to your list? Try checking around on this board, it's not strictly guppies but many member have gups and it's Uk based
http://www.extremetropicalfish.co.uk
*BEFORE you buy fish make sure you understand what "Cycling" a tank means <- quoted from miskaral* ~Trying to make a difference one fish at a time~
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Looks like a good site Angelhologram. (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 10:20:55 AM PST

I wouldn't suggest that the above list is so thorough, except that it is by an umbrella group from the UK. Last winter I was working on a larger list for several countries and bogged down. Part of it was the need to transpose it to HTML. Part of it was conflicting info. I ran across cases of American clubs who have ceased effective operation since a key member passed away. I know in a couple of instances, having attended the wakes of a couple of those key members - several years ago. :(

I wouldn't pretend to have a whole lot of insight into most areas of the U.S. vis-a-vis the aquarium club scene, much less the hobby to the UK. (Though I'd be glad to go do an in-person survey.) Just taking a peek at European, South American, Australian and Asian clubs is fascinating.

Your advice to go to that web site is also a step into the present and the future. At national conventions (and on the mailing lists) of some the the American specialty groups, there is considerable concern over the "graying of the hobby."

I think what they are seeing is a genuine concern. However, when one considers how busy younger people are with school (and more years of schooling per capita than in the past), paying off college loans, jobs, ob insecurity, other interests including all sorts of electronic outlets which weren't available all that many years ago, and how much more time it takes to start a family and pay the bills, it doesn't surprise me that by the time people have the time and a little spare cash to get into a specialty, that they may be in their 30s, 40s or even older.

Having said that, I had the chance to help bag fish at the AKA convention with the newest senior judge. He had to work with several shows, take a test and become familiar with what can be a 1,000 different killies. He is 15.

The average age of people on Internet forums like Guppylog is, interestingly enough, 10-20 or even 30 years younger than the average age for correspondents on some of the specialty e-mailing lists. That may be the future of the hobby in many ways.

There aren't as many general aquarium clubs anymore. That is especially true in the major metropolitan areas. (The smaller metro areas of 100,000 to 500,000 people seem to still have a lot of good clubs, interestingly.) Many of the old "Mom and Pop" pets stores are gone, unable to buy at wholesale what the big box stores are selling at retail. I think of those places where, when I was 12-13-14, I could follow the staff around on balmy summer days like this, picking their brains when they weren't waiting on other customers or when they wanted to take a break (and didn't hide from me). ;)

There are some experienced aquarists at the big-box stores. But where the revolving door of employment brings in different staffers every couple of month though, it is tough to find experienced hands.

However, there are three American Aquarium slicks, probably improving at a faster rate than ever in the past. Imported and specialty magazines are also around, if one knows where to look for them (at either the more sophisticated pets shops or the big-box book store magazine racks or even on-line). Those magazines now have web sites. And one can Google their way to more web sites and forums on-line than we ever could have dreamed of a few years ago.

There are more good aqaurium books being published  than in the past. There are some clunkers, but there always have been. Simply, there is a lor more of a knowledge base to draw upon than in the past.

Some of the pioneer e-mailing lists are already gone. The first wave of forums, the atl-aquaria group of Usenetgroup forums are still around. They were quite vulnerable to spam bots and a numbers of members migrated to the e-mailing lists and forums. A quick look for one today (after a couple of tries) suggests how hard they can be to find. :(

Miskairal can probably explain how to get on them. I sure didn't get to places I had no trouble getting to before.

The point is that the hobby is evolving. Even on the Internet, it is changing. But the younger hobbyist and potential hobbyist isn't disappearing. The old-timers may just not know where they are. ;)

The geezers too, need to know that Google can be their friend. :)

All the best,
unc the geezer

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