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Fry Question and Suggestions... | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Take the youngsters, put them in a jar with some (none / 0) (#1)
by unclescott on Mon May 09, 2005 at 08:29:31 PM PST

of their water and cover the jar. Dump the water from the 1.5-gallon tank. Put a gallon of water from the 10-gallon in it and plunk the pair in. Gently add new seasoned water to top it off.

What filtration is in the little tank? You will want to do a couple partial significant water changes a week or the adults are at risk of illnesses.

Remember the fry in the covered jar, 1/3full with the water from their previous home? Assuming that the 10-gallon is healthy, add as much of that water to the jar as is already there. COVER the jar again - ask me why I'm keen on that. ;)

After about 20 minutes, cover the jar with your hand and pour about half the water into a bucket. (If you pour to a reasonably clean bucket you can retrieve fish which could be lost if spilled into a toilet.) Add as much water from the new tank as isthere. Let it sit 20 more minutes and decant. Do that a third time, if you feel that the two tank's chemistries were really different.

Now your Dad may be perfectly correct if you frequently did partial water changes on both aquariums. Because of populations, eating and metabolism and the size of the tank, the fry tank probably was more inclinded to drop it's pH faster than the ten. We have a bit of a fudge factor when moving fish into tanks a little warmer than the previous or a little higher in terms of pH or a little higher in terms mineral content - of  DH or to a degree TDS.

If they were pretty close, than your Dad certainly, as a member of the "32 feet per second acclimation school," is also right.

I guess its a matter of how careful you may want to be.

Elsewhere, someone noted that if you open a bag of new fish or fish from the mail and the water smells really bad and you can assume that they regurgitated their food, that slow acclimation approach can be way more dangerous to the guppies (or whomever) than quickly getting them out of the filthy water (all of which is dumped through a net into that buckker) and into clean, safer water. That wise point is one I really hadn't considered. DUH! yet once again! :)

Would your Dad be comfortable changing the guppies both of those ways?

Thanks and all the best!
uncle scott



Re: Take the youngsters, put them in a jar with so (none / 0) (#5)
by GuppyLuver15 on Tue May 10, 2005 at 02:46:20 PM PST

Wow, thanks Uncle Scott! Thats a good way to do it. The filteration in the fry's tank is a filter that blows bubbles. Its sucks the gunk to the bottom, doesn't suck up anything though.
Guppy Luver
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Would that be a sponge filter in something (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Tue May 10, 2005 at 06:46:08 PM PST

of a disk like this?

http://www.junglelabs.com/pages/details.asp?item=J245N

Those are ideal for fry. You could get a bigger one for the 10-gallon tank.

Drat! Spending other people's money again!

atb!
us

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Re: Would that be a sponge filter in something (none / 0) (#8)
by GuppyLuver15 on Wed May 11, 2005 at 02:27:04 PM PST

Nope, it's not like that it looks like this:
http://www.aquatics-online.co.uk/acatalog/10_Undergravel_Filter.jpg

Guppy Luver
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Ok, that is a? an? UG or undergravel filter. (none / 0) (#9)
by unclescott on Wed May 11, 2005 at 09:46:17 PM PST

They are excellent as biological filters. If they aren't rigorously cleaned and the gunk taken out from under them, they should be torn down and restarted after a year. Otherwise dirty ones can be something of a biological time bomb and everything is at risk if the tank sours.

Other than that, they are perfectly safe for live bearers. A friend discovered that UG filters were not safe for his cave spawning cichlids. His Julidochromis spawned under inverted flower pots or the plate-like thing pit under pots. He must have had quite a current going, because when the Julies excavated the gravel out from under the plate and the fry hatched, they were snatched away under the filter plate!

Other filters (box and sponge) also are bubblers. :) Each has uses which may make them best in certain circumstances.

All the best!
u.s.

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Another thought.... (none / 0) (#2)
by nancylb999 on Mon May 09, 2005 at 09:23:05 PM PST

To add to Uncle Scott's insight... What kind of filtration unit is in to 10 gallon tank? Is it the type that could possibly suck little wee baby guppies in and destroy them? I am asking because I lost 3 of the little gaffers this way before I modified the filter. I have a boi-wheel (outboard) power filter on my 6 gallon tank. The intake valve was just a bit too large, I stuffed a bit a filter floss in the intake screen, while making sure it was secured enough so it didn't get sucked up the pipe. However, this method has some disadvantages. It reduces the flow to the filter, so your filter will not work as efficently. Further to that, it's not so long before the floss stuffed into that intake gets so choked up with filth that it must be replaced.... and almost on a daily basis. :) -Nancy.

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Re: Another thought.... (none / 0) (#4)
by GuppyLuver15 on Tue May 10, 2005 at 02:44:51 PM PST

Uhh... in the 10 gallon tank, yes, there is a filteration that can actually suck the babies up, but I will cover it with panty hose.
Thanks for helping, I frogot about the filter...
Guppy Luver
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Re: Another thought.... (none / 0) (#10)
by guppygirl on Fri May 13, 2005 at 03:30:46 AM PST

Hi GuppyLuver15,

The thread on this post got a little "wierd" organizationally speaking.  

See uncle's comment #3, this could work for you too, rather than the panty hose idea.

How handy is your father?

Oh, and unc, what size drill bits do you use when you do this?  

I'm thinking of swapping out my corner filter, but it's served me so well in my fry tank, I'm afraid to "mess".

Also, GL15, make sure that you adjust your power (lower) on your filter to help cut down the "pull".

Good Luck, and keep us posted!

gg
:o)

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What sized bits? Um... little bits? ;) (none / 0) (#11)
by unclescott on Fri May 13, 2005 at 06:31:19 AM PST

You want the holes big enought to let the water through w/o being high suction wind (water) tunnels. At the same time they've got to be small enough not not easily admit fry.

Also, you don't want so much of the extension to be honey combed that it falls apart. (Something about structural integrity, though I have no idea what integrity means.)

I'd drill a whole bunch of little holes (in my spare time -har-har-har). If the pressure at any point was still too strong, dry the extension tube out with a paper towel and let it sun dry a little while. (Almost said a little bit.) Then drill with a slightly larger bit in those holes.

Its always easier to expand small holes to larger holes than vice versa. ;)

Hope the rest of you lurking don't mind "this drill." I realize, it could be boring. ;)

All the best!
unc

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Re: What sized bits? Um... little bits? ;) (none / 0) (#12)
by guppygirl on Sat May 21, 2005 at 02:58:14 AM PST

You crack me up!

Boy, did I need that chuckle this morning.

Tanks.

gg
:o)

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" but I will cover it with panty hose. " (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Tue May 10, 2005 at 06:37:15 PM PST

I fear that the panty hose will have the latest pattern of little baby guppies plastered to the material. :(

Maybe it will only be the the dumb ones, but I don't know.... :(

It's a good idea. Perhaps others, with more experience with small? medium? power filters (and panty hose as far as that goes) would be able to better predict what would happen.

Sorry to utter a discouraging word.

But all the best still! :)
uncle scott

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Really important consideration Nancy! (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Tue May 10, 2005 at 05:13:55 AM PST

Another variant of that is to buy (gasp!) an extender tube for that filter intake. There are people who will then gently put that tube in a vice and drill a bunch of tiny holes in it (if it doesn't come that way). The idea is to spread out the draw enough that the fry can resist the flow. Also that way a blocked partially tube doesn't over-tax and shorten the life of the motor.

All the best!
unc

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