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Clarification on Camellanus? | 12 comments (12 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Clarification on Camellanus? (none / 1) (#6)
by inkmaker on Sat May 07, 2005 at 12:58:07 PM PST

The more words to the subject the better. It sounds like there are several different worms in your environment. Many of them are just there to scavenge the left overs and from what you are telling us there a lot of left overs.

The role of the Levamisole is to paralyze the Nematode and thus to kill it. The fish then needs to pass the dead worms. The Levamisole in the tank will kill all the stages of the Nematode as long as it is there in sufficient quantity. It takes only 36 hours to kill 99% of the worms both inside and free in the tank. The remaining living Nematodes can reinfect everything very soon given the opportunity.

Once you have managed to really do in the infestation, it is time to flush the septic tank. I don't mean a 20% water change twice a week. That reaches an equilibrium with the tank trash and really never gets rid of everything.

In the treatment I try to get the owner to understand that after the treatment is done they need to change ALL of the water. This removes the dead Nematodes, the dead other things and helps to reestablish good living conditions within the tank environment. One does not kill the bacteria and protozoa attached to the plants, walls and gravel with a water change and I wouldn't advocate a complete tank cleaning because there will be a recycling time and the fish keeper is putting the fish through a lot of stress.

Change the water, all of it and then lets see what is left of the strange visitors in the tank.

The dead worms in the gut of the fish are the greatest cause of loss of fish after treatment. I am watching a young man now in CA with a Cichlid tank struggling with this. The Nematodes are dead but the fish are really having a hard time of it. Their guts are so full of dead clinging things they are rotting inside the fish. Bacteria, septicemia, gas bloating - all the nastiest one can think of. Feeding the fish lots of live foods will generally move the stuff through the gut. Newly hatched brine shrimp is my best remedy for these small fishes.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Clarification on Camellanus? (none / 0) (#10)
by alliani on Sun May 08, 2005 at 05:13:07 PM PST

Ah, got it. Thanks!!

Yep, got my day cut out for me Monday. ::sigh::

Would it be wise to treat any new guppies in a quarantine tank just to be on the safe side?

~Lori

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Re: Clarification on Camellanus? (none / 0) (#7)
by guppygirl on Sun May 08, 2005 at 04:42:25 AM PST

Hi Lori,

It's guppygirl.

I agree with Scott L., this was a great submission.

I was able to follow what steps you have taken, and where you are now, very easily.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!

Don't mind "Da-Unc", "Grumpy uncle, go lie down." ;o)

Question, Are your fry and their tanks still asymptomatic? No visible worms, or deaths?

My thought would be to(I know this sounds a bit nuts, but I'm hoping that your statement of 300+ fry is an exageration.) divide one of the ten gallon tanks in half, and move the other fry into this one.

Then I would move the remaining fish into the other 10 gallon tank so you could flush out the twenty gallon as the Inkmaker suggests.

Before moving the sick fish into the ten gallon tank, however, remove ALL of the gravel, plants, and any decorations.

I know this sounds like a lot of work, and you might be thinking I'm from a different planet right about now. But, there is a method to my madness.

See, no matter what happens, your 20 gallon tank will have to be recycled. My thought is that the sooner we can get that underway, the better the fish that survive will be in the long run.

If you are POSSITIVE that the gravel, et al. from the fry tank isn't infected, you could use that to jump start the cycling. That's entirely your call, though.

Having the sick fish in an empty tank will help you to do a number of things better.

First, treating them will be easier, and so will isolating the infected equipment.

Second, removing any worms will be easier.

Third, observing their conditions will be easier.

Lastly, when all is said and done, you can clean out this one, and have a spare tank to use for a quarantine, or hospital tank for the future.

Oh, BTW, Happy Mother's Day, and please don't hate me. You can always choose the option to ignore me. ;o)

gg
:o)

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Re: Clarification on Camellanus? (none / 0) (#9)
by alliani on Sun May 08, 2005 at 05:07:37 PM PST

Question, Are your fry and their tanks still asymptomatic? No visible worms, or deaths?

Correct, no visible worms or deaths in the fry tanks at all. However, the're voracious little things and it wouldn't surprise me to lose one and have it become lunch. :o/

Nope, 300+ isn't an exaggeration. But I haven't actually counted survivors recently, that's just the count of live fry I've removed from the main tank to the fry tanks over the last ~3 months. With that number I could lose a handful and never notice. In fact I pulled 8 more fry out of the adult tank yesterday. I've got one tank for small fry, and one for fry large enough to think newborn fry are snacks, so I can put the adults in with the larger fry without a problem.

Then I would move the remaining fish into the other 10 gallon tank so you could flush out the twenty gallon as the Inkmaker suggests.

::nod::

Before moving the sick fish into the ten gallon tank, however, remove ALL of the gravel, plants, and any decorations.

Ah, something worked out for the good! There aren't any gravel/plants in the fry tank :) I have one plastic plant "mat" in the "little fry" tank, but the other is completely unadorned. I really only planned to have one aquarium, but I just can't leave the fry in the tank to fend for themselves!

I know this sounds like a lot of work, and you might be thinking I'm from a different planet right about now. But, there is a method to my madness.

No, it makes sense. I just don' wanna (I'll do it, but I'll whine and bitch a lot in the process).

<snip>

Oh, BTW, Happy Mother's Day, and please don't hate me. You can always choose the option to ignore me. ;o)

Oh... someone picked up on my bitchiness. LOL Sorry. :o/

I don't have any reason to hate you or ignore you! Well, unless I'm just an irrational witch, and I can see how one might come to that conclusion. :o/ Thank you for the suggestions!

Happy Mother's Day to everyone (even if you don't have kids, Happy Sunday to you). Thanks to everyone forr all the advice & help, and I'll mark my calendar & try not to post during the first week of the month from now on!! ;o)

~Lori

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