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Rosy Cheeks? | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 hidden)
Re: GL15, are the gills beginning to shift from pi (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 11:43:27 PM PST

I didn't notice the red gills either when I first had guppies. It is way more noticeable if you are behind the fish or below. When looking from front on or above, you can't really see it.

Those quarantine tank/bowls you mention unc;e, how often and how much water do you change? I've never managed to get down to the nitty gritty of what to do in an uncycled tank (apart from testing) and in a Q tank the fish may only be there a week.

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Bowls are not the best choice. Sometimes you use (none / 1) (#4)
by unclescott on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 07:59:04 AM PST

what you have, in the space that you have. They are only half gallon and gallon bowls (1.9 & 3.8 liters). Could have also used large mouthed gallon pickle jars. The female and male Aplocheilus lineatus (the wild red form of the Golden Wonder Killie) were separated by gender. There are also two female Mel. praecox, the dwarf neon rainbow, who were kept in their bowl too long. (There are 7 male praecox eager to make their acquaintance. Having more rainbow males is not such a problem - they will keep an eye on each other, sparing the females from getting too much attention.) Killies and many livebearers can be kept in smaller containers, IF they are tightly covered and the water changed pretty frequently.

Because of redecorating elsewhere in the house, the fish were vacated from a 55 and a 40-gallon tank. Those fish are in a 40 gallon rubber maid storage container and a 32 gallon trash barrel (long ago dedicated to fishy things). The barrel of rainbows also has it's own powerhead and sponge filter. The residents seem happy and hungry at 68 degrees F/ 20C.

If there were guppies being held in a container like that, it would be placed on styrofoam for insulation and an Ebo-Jaeger submersible heater would be installed. I would rather not take them below 75-6 F/ 24 C.

Those two containers, in the middle of the floor, sure alter the foot traffic pattern. Try tippy-toeing around them while holding a 1/3 full, graveled ten-gallon tank. ;)

Rainbows need space, lots of oxygen and current and they, none too soon, got plunked into a ten-gallon tank. The schnoodle and I will run out this morning for one of those small submerged canister filters (essentially an enclosed sponge filter with a current) for their tank. Have an extra powerhead, but that would be too much for a 10-gal/40 L tank. We want rainbows in a current, not flying fish. :)

One of them is a bit clamped with a little fin damage. Maybe, for the first time, will try Melafix (as per Maggie's recommendations). If it is a bacterial problem, it can be healed. If it is fish TB, that will be trouble. (Goodbye! Goodbye!)

The killifish were wonderfully robust and had been very well fed at the LFS. That has been a part of the problem. Even after two water changes, they kept regurgitating food and/or passing it through their digestive tract. The water keeps getting really funky.

I'm not even pretending that the bowls are cycled. Either daily or every second day, they are getting roughly a 95% water change. The water is decanted so as much as possible can be poured into a "out" bucket without losing the fish. About 70% of that new water is from my "start up tank," the rest from the 50 gallon (food quality) "seasoning" barrel.

Because the frequently changed water is all from the same sources, acclimation for chemical differences is not an issue. (I know a couple big time breeders who run daily 95% water changes on their tanks. The water comes heated, run through a carbon-block filter, to the tanks. One can only make changes on that scale if they are consistent. If water changes are missed for a couple of days, then they must back the changes down to 25-45% or mess up the fish.

Those fish have not been fed this week and will not be, until Sunday night or Monday AM. (We may return through one of those famous snowstorms blowing off of the Great Lakes and will feel like doing nothing else.) So long as they are not in a breeding situation, that fast should not be a problem.

In a sense, the nitrogen cycle is being imported with the water. By fasting the fish, the water is hopefully not dirtied too badly. Essentially those bowls, usually on a warm, often somewhat shaded shelf, are for observation and, in one case, medication. If dosage is pro-rated for a small container (1/20 of a ten-gallon dosage) without a lot of gravel or plants, application is easier and cheaper.

Have committed to a killifish show this weekend in Elkhart, Indiana. From the standpoint of fellowship, passing out flyers for the Chicago April 9-10 show, keeping up as a judge (which sounds more impressive than it is) and staying in touch, it is important to attend. That doesn't do the fish here much good. It will be nearly impossible to buy anything new because there simply isn't much room to quarantine anybody new.

Oh ... well there is that one vacated, clean ten-gallon tank, full of seasoned water with the biologically active gravel. ;)

Also used one of your tricks for one bowl Miskairal. It is on the glass top of my only heated tank. It is holding at 75 degrees F, a tad cool for lineatus, but at least it is not fluctuating.

If there was something "suspicious" in either a drum bowl or a large-mouthed gallon pickle jar (which seem unlimited in supply), after the fish were in them, they are emptied down the toilet or laundry sink and parked upside down for the winter in an out of the way corner of the patio. Hopefully the cold will kill any "germs". The bleach bucket, in the spring, will finish the cleaning job. By then, there can be quite a fleet, out there in "dry dock".

All the best!
unc;e

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Re: Bowls are not the best choice. Sometimes you u (none / 0) (#7)
by miskairal on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 01:58:13 PM PST

OK, so if I had my 14 litre Q tank with 1 or 2 guppies in it and I didn't want to stress them further by putting them through the tank cycling and if I had no access to SAFE water from another source or any other objects that might contain good bacteria, would it be best to do daily  water changes of the largest possible volume without removing the fish? (Providing the clean water source was the same as their tank water). Maybe a 25-50% water change would be insufficient?

You mention the internal filter with the single sponge. I'ts always bothered me giving that sponge a rinse in the dirty tank water I have just removed. I keep wondering just how much damamge I am doing to the tank ecology. Well, it's taken me about 10 months to figure this out but next water change I'm going to cut that sponge in half and only rinse half each week.

It's funny how you use the extreme cold temperatures to kill off bacteria and I use the sun and heat. I have a really great spot downstairs where the sun shines in for about 6 hours a day so I leave all my buckets and nets lined up to cop the blast. I know they won't last as long and will become brittle but it's so easy to do.

Cheerio
miskairal
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Re: Bowls are not the best choice. (none / 1) (#5)
by guppygirl on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 09:30:36 AM PST

Well, when I came across unc;e's statement that he was signing off now to do some work on his Q tanks, I had an attack of the guilts, and went off to do the same.

It seems even with his altered traffic pattern he finished well before I did.

Someday I'll get to finish cleaning the basement, so I will have more room to store water.

Sigh!

gg
:o)

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