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Coral | 6 comments (6 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: G'Day Miskairal ! (none / 0) (#2)
by miskairal on Wed Apr 28, 2004 at 06:43:26 PM PST

Hi Scott and thanks for the insights.

I didn't think to ask where the shopping centre aquarium keepers obtained the coral but no doubt they had permission being in such a public place and with Australia's very strict rules on taking flora and fauna from the wild.

This new tank I set up (in which I wanted to put the coral) has a pH that is swinging a lot. I've added Aquarium salt which might help????  I'm STILL waiting ont eh test kits I ordered :(

On arriving home after leaving the fish with no food for 48 hours and no light I discovered the 3/4 black male has tail rot of some sort. He is well and racing around but his tail has worsened in the 24 hours since I got home so I started treating the tank this morning. I'm going in to see my vet tomorrow as the pet shop here is very limited in drugs they carry and don't seem to have any of the drugs mentioned here on Guppylog. I had a choice of Melafix or acriflavine and chose the latter

With all the above I think I will leave the coral as a side decoration for now. Mum said she found it in a second hand shop years ago.

So far I have been extremely faithful on water changes and usually do them about every 6 days to fit in round work obligations but boy is it hard to gravel vacc round fry that are trying to zip up the tube or nibble on my fingers. Oh and the other thing I wanted to tell you is that the plants are all flowering sending these great long stems up and out of the tanks with dull little yellow flowers on the end. Oh and also one more thing before I go :)  I had to take the little charcoal bag I made out of the canister filter for the treatment and the water flow is now much higher and the fish are deliberately swimming in it and letting themselves get pushed around. They play in it for a while then go back up to the quieter end of the tank briefly then come back again to the filter. I commented to my husband the other night how I wish us humans had as much energy as the fish and his reply "Do you only want to live 2 years do you?"

miskairal
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Interesting thought of your husband's! (none / 0) (#3)
by unclescott on Wed Apr 28, 2004 at 09:01:00 PM PST

I wonder how we would live if we knew we had just two years (with good care) to live. :)

Salt will not influence your hardness one way or the other. Sea water is very alkaline, but the elements which buffer it so high are things like calcium and magnesium.

Salt will significantly (sometimes hugely) raise the TDS or total dissolved solids in a tank though. All sodium chloride and no other elements can be fatal both to freshwater and - I would guess - even marine fishes after a time.

TDS is often measured by meters which really are measuring the electrical conductivity of water. There is a rough correlation between the two.

Now I've recently learned that there are a number of items in the water which are neutrally charged and not easily measured short of using a few 5,000 USD gismos to do that. Even some fish wastes may not be measurable! At least they don't contribute to hardness or TSD. (I can hear Guppygirl saying, "Go get an ammonia kit.")

I guess that is one of the reasons why we just need to keep changing water. There are probably always going to be some variables we will either not know about or not be able to measure.

If that wildly fluctuating tank, which has a pH a degree higher late in the day than the pH at night or in the early morning, has a lot of growing plants in it, don't worry. When the photosynthesis process is really cooking during the day, the plants will take a lot of CO2 out of the tank. At night, they may actually release a little CO2 and the pH will drop. This is not uncommon in ponds and aquaria with a robust plant population. I believe that some small bodies of water in the wild may do that too.

Congratulations on the flowering Aponogetons. You may find that they are NOT self fertilizing. Some books suggest taking a small paintbrush and rubbing one, than the other inflorescence, er bloom.

That never worked for my Aponogetons and me. I did discover that by rather inelegantly rubbing two blooms together they would fertilize one another. I had crooked blooms, but fertile seeds. ;)

Is it your wet (or wetter) season now? Different species respond differently to annual cycles.

Karl Rataj's book published in the 1970s by TFH has some interesting info on raising them. Christel Kasselmann has quite an essay on types of habitats and reproduction.

By the way, if your local Aponogeton spike throws up two separate flower spikes, that local population is probably an exotic from Madagascar. Single spikes are found all over Asia and, presumably, Australia. However there is a Vietnamese species with a double bloom. (Rats, so much to learn.)

South Africa's Apon. distachyos, which has become naturalized all over the world, has quite an elaborate multiple bloom. I think it was listed as an exotic in Oz (and California too).
By the way, Kasselmann's book features a magnificent shot of Australia's Apon. elongatus var latifolia. It is listed as from the North, NE and Eastern parts of Australia, so it might be your baby. :)

If you could get a couple photos of the blooms, that might enable you to identify them.

And they are a heck of a lot easier to photograph than the guppies. ;)

All the best!
u.s.


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Re: Aponogetons (none / 0) (#5)
by miskairal on Thu Apr 29, 2004 at 02:03:35 AM PST

Ahh found the flower at thekrib (it's ammazing how search results change every time I do a Google - I know I Googled for Apon. weeks ago).

Hopefully this link will be linkified so click here :) if you are interested.

My flower is yellow instead of the pinkish colour in the pic. I can't find Elongatus latifolia anywhere but I think you may be right.

BTW - The world would not exist as we know it if we could only live 2 years would it? Would we have to work or could I just bludge on a beautiful pacific island?

Hey - I didn't even notice your use of the word "g'day" first time round but when I came back to read it again I realized. Now I'll have to teach you some Aussie slang :) I've been told Americans have trouble understanding an Australian saying the word water - apparently we pronounce it warder? We are very lazy with our speech. (And I talk too much)

miskairal
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Photography (none / 0) (#4)
by miskairal on Wed Apr 28, 2004 at 09:27:49 PM PST

I tried photographing my guppies but they turned out just a blurry mess on my good 35mm Minolta camera and the old digital is not good enough. I'm sure however, that I can photograph the flowers which are single spiked. Do you mean they will only multiply if I rub the spikes together? If so, do I do this over the water?

The "Aquarium" salt contains sodium, calcium, magnesium and chloride which are all supposed to aid in keeping fish healthy but I hoped would help stabilize the pH by raising the tds (have I got that right?)

Oohps - thunder - storm coming so must get off my pc. Actually we are meant to be finished our wet season but it's been drizzling for 2 days (makes for very unpleasant milking conditions)and our temp is down to 72°F which I consider a little on the cool side but it's given me a chance to make sure the fish tank heaters are all working well.

Now I just have to figure out how to get hold of the books you mentioned :)

Thanks Scott!!
miskairal
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Fertilizing spikes may be facilitated by being (none / 0) (#6)
by unclescott on Thu Apr 29, 2004 at 08:57:07 AM PST

in and out of the water. A certain humidity level should also be maintained if they are to develop seeds.

By the way, did I steer you to the following?

http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/aquaticslife/plants/aponogeton/aponog_t.html

They mention new and established species in Oz and some of the river systems they are in. Perhaps your stream, if connected to one of those drainages, would also allow for I.D.ing your Aponogeton.

I read Kasselmann's essay on Aponogetons while going to sleep last night. (Retention was wayyyyy down.) She mentions four different habitats (temporary pond, permanent pond, temporary stream/ river, permanent stream/river. While some Apon. species are found in a couple of habitats and others just don't pigeon-hole easily, that might help.

Also, she notes in some stream systems, the plants flower and have submerged leaves while the stream water is clear in what may be the dry season. In the rainy season the water goes turbid. The plants may develop all surface leaves. Or they may retreat back into their bulb for a resting period.

If yours are the one which have a resting period, she suggests an interesting strategy to help them go dormant.

They are amazing plants, quite diverse and able to endure some pretty challenging habitats. And Kasselmann & that Austalian Aponogeton paper suggests there are a lot more than most of us would have guessed.

More later, it's a great day here but we have a storm front and miserable weather predicted for later too. First chore - clean up the remains of a venerable metal framed tank which blew off of a stand last night in what must have been quite a wind.

Kasselmann and Rataj are pretty expensive. I'd check you inter-library loan system or what ever aquarium club library exists in Queensland first. I know there is a club in the Queensland, it may be a zillion kilometers away.

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