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A guppy named, who-whatta? | 14 comments (14 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 0) (#1)
by maggie1270 on Sat Feb 07, 2004 at 09:26:24 AM PST

You may want to keep an eye on your male.  He may have something called fin rot. Are the other fish showing any signs?
Maggie


Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 0) (#2)
by gupsup007 on Sat Feb 07, 2004 at 11:09:44 AM PST

no, it's just him. and it isn't gradual cuts. last night before I went to bed they were small and hardly noticeable, today they are large V's like someone grabbed him and cut him with scissors or something.

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Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 1) (#3)
by maggie1270 on Sun Feb 08, 2004 at 08:14:01 AM PST

Well, you may want to search here for fin rot.  I think I remember reading about it here.  And, you can search the web on the topic.  You may find other suggestions.  All I know is, when my male got fin rot it looked like something took a bite out of his tail, although there wasn't any fungus or anything on it.  When I treated him with antibiotics, the end of his tail acquired a black trim (which I was told was a good thing) and it didn't get worse after that.
Maggie
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Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 0) (#4)
by gupsup007 on Sun Feb 08, 2004 at 09:27:26 AM PST

thanks Maggie.  Do my females seem normal?

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Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 0) (#5)
by maggie1270 on Sun Feb 08, 2004 at 03:04:41 PM PST

As far as I can tell by what you've told me.  When my male and 2 females were still alive, my male did favor one female over the other.  Maybe the female isn't ready or mature yet.  I'd give them some more time.
Maggie
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Re: A guppy named, who-whatta? (none / 0) (#8)
by gupsup007 on Mon Feb 09, 2004 at 01:40:46 PM PST

There aren't any other fish in the tank besides them.  I did see the larger female (who-whatta) chasing the male both yesterday and today.  No signs of the others' tails getting slices in them.

Also my littlest female (whatta-who) has the white stringy poo you mentioned.  her body is also paler than who-whatta's but her gravid spot is dark and normal looking.  who-whatta has the pinkish gravid spot.  They all eat fine.

The water is clean and the cloudiness has left finally after much treating.  

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Glad to hear about your fry. Keep up the (none / 1) (#6)
by unclescott on Sun Feb 08, 2004 at 09:42:10 PM PST

fine work. :)

Male tail problems could be an annoyed female. It could be an indicator that your have to be even more diligent about frequent water changes. It may even be that there is someone else in the tank who finds their tails just too tempting ...?

Or maybe they are about to catch fire. ;)

Gupsup007, it is not usually normal for a pinkish hue to appear in the ventral area of a gray female guppy like your who-whatta. It is probably an internal parasite, but one of the reasons we haven't really tackled it, is that it is almost as hard to speculate upon as chewed up guppy tails, even with a little more information.

If a little worm (or five) slips partway out of the anal vent and waves at you, your guppy is infested with *&^%$#@!!! Camallanus!

It is also possibly a worm which always remains inside called *&^%$#@!! Capillaria.

Another possibility is that there is an internal infection of a parasite from the Hexamita group. Is the fish showing white, stringy feces? Is the appetite only so-so? Is it taking and spitting out food?

The first two maladies can be treated (not cheaply, but effectively) with anthelmintics. It shouldn't necessarily be, but Hexamita can also sometimes be treated effectively with anthelmintics too, so one of them is probably the medication to try - first.

Flubendazole sellers: Two sources I found through killie circles are:

http://www.thefishwizards.com/

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/

See also http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf

The Florida Tropical Fish Farmers Association is also a source of Flubendazole.

http://www.ftffa.com/

Charles Harrison (see the Camallanus article) originally worked with Levamisole. He found that Flubendazol is one of the more water soluble
- or less insoluble - of the anthelmintics and it could be especially useful because sick fish may not eat any food with a medication in it. They can absorb it through gills and maybe skin. It is also a tad less expensive. ;)

It is hard to OD the guppies adding it to the water because of the limited solubility. Some recipes exist for adding it to food. If the fish eat the food, OD-ing might be possible depending upon the mix.

Discomed from Aquatronics (pink package) contains Levamisole.

If you are from North America, gupppies' "bird de-wormer application" which he worked out with his vet, is probably not available (although another might be.)

I did write a couple of American manufactures and asked them what was in their de-wormers. Two responses haven't answered the question about anthelmintics. (Note, only two of the very small group I wrote to have responded. That is certainly not every fish medication producer out there.)

I've also been very impressed recently (and will post a dairy on) with what was said about PRAZIQUANTEL on the NANFA list. It goes by the brand name Droncit. Check the Florida Tropical Fish Farmers Association site or with your local vet.

While there are other anthelmintics, I hope that gives you a successful start.

If other news on them has been encountered by anyone on GL, I'd appreciate hearing about it too. :)

For more info do a GL search under any of those diseases or those anthelmintics? If you have time, there is a lot through www.google.com searches too.

I will not sic you on the scientific search engines unless there is also a guppy named "you-who". ;)

Good luck, good night and all the best!

u.s.


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Re: Glad to hear about your fry. Keep up the (none / 0) (#9)
by gupsup007 on Mon Feb 09, 2004 at 01:55:36 PM PST

my fry had another growth spurt and are getting more shiny.  their bodies are growing, how can I put this, the see through part is growing in.  lol best way I can explain it.

whatta-who, is the smaller and thinner female, has a stringy white poo right now.  it looks like bread that has been soaked in water only really small and in a string.  kinda gooey looking, LIKE a string of snot!  there we go. she also stays up near the top of the tank (which she didn't start until today).  the male (which doesn't have a name as of yet) swims from female to female but whatta-who doesn't have anything to do with him, he tries to chase her but she stays where she is.

who-whatta is the fat, larger female with the pinkish gravid spot.  The male chases her and she chases back! which I believe she is the reason for the nips in his tail but I shall still watch for tail rot.  I think I'll call him spliced.  even after her chasing back, most aggressively, he being the good male he is continues to try to court her.

I have a few questions now.  who-whatta (the fat one), her being fat and having the pinkish gravid spot, does that mean she is pregnant?  and if so is that why she chases the male away from her?  whatta-who (the skinny one), her not being receptive and the stringy goo poo, does this mean there is something wrong with her?

I don't want them to die because my last guppy couple was ugly and I have their fry now, which are cute no matter what ugly color they turn out to be. but I'd like some nice colored guppies from these 3 adults.  who-whatta is silver bodied, her tail and dorsal fin are light blue with black spots.  whatta-who is light grey, her tail is black/blue, then a small flash of white in the middle and around the outside is orange.  spliced is orange/black/green stripey sided, orange with black spotted dorsal fin and now sliced up tail.

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whatta-who does sound like she has (none / 0) (#10)
by unclescott on Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 04:14:36 AM PST

Hexamita. You also mention those red areas on the other female and on your fry. Her condition suggests you will either treat her or say good-bye. :(

Fish can live with Hexamita, but if you miss a water change or they were stressed somewhere along the line, the Hexamita flagellates in their gut will cause swelling of the throat (among other things) and they will be unable to eat properly - or in time - at all.

Metronidazole or di-metronidazole are anti-microbial drugs. One should probably be used to treat that one fish which is becoming so emaciated. That medicine is sold under it's name and a number of brand names. (Hex-i-mit, etc...)

You may want to include one of the guppies with pink around the anus in that treatment too, just to see if that clears up.

Don't mean to sound alarmist, but I still wonder if that pink business is a sign of something else like Camallanus. That so many fry show it is not encouraging.

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Re: whatta-who does sound like she has (none / 0) (#11)
by maggie1270 on Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 05:00:50 AM PST

You may be right US.  He did mention that he had camallanus previously.
Maggie
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Re: whatta-who does sound like she has (none / 1) (#12)
by gupsup007 on Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 06:21:43 AM PST

well jeez!!  I did have probs with callamanus but it wasn't in the tank my 3 adults are in.  and are you sure the fry's red areas isn't just poo?  their food is a reddish brown color.

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Both the red food and fact that the fish with (none / 0) (#13)
by unclescott on Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 03:58:58 PM PST

Camallanus were in a different tank are important points GS. It may well be that if there was no contact between the tank where that was and the tank with the other fish you are concerned about now, that Camallanus is not an issue.

On the other hand, were your fish from the same shop? If your fish were from different tanks in the shop, did they use the same net for several tanks?

At any time since you discovered that one tank with Camallanus, would you have used a net or siphon in that tank and then in another? (A seasonal trick - I toss used siphons, and nets out on the air conditioner shell to freeze in the weather. It was two weeks before I could get a net off it. ;) Buckets just go out on the sidewalk.)

Would you have poured water into another tank after having taken water out of the infected tank? Might you or somebody else have had a hand in the infected tank (perhaps to pick up a dead fish) and then put it in another tank or fed fish food without scrubbing down? (I've even scrubbed down with baking soda and dabbed hydrogen peroxide on a couple of items.)

If nothing has been used in that infected tank and then elsewhere and no gravel, plants or filters were moved from the Camallanus tank to the others, you are right, it is probably fine.

I don't mean to sound super righteous about cleanliness. One of the reasons I am touchy about that goes back to my dumb stunts like when I had a tank with 30 + great looking Nothobranchius guentheri in it. They got velvet. In the process of cleaning that tank (the water change prior to the adding of salt and acriflavin) I slopped a tiny bit of water into another tank with another 30+ terrific little guentheri. Two days later I had the privilege of treating that second tank for velvet. (The good news, most of them survived.)

Maggie is doing you a favor in asking that question about whether an illness in another tank would be effecting those fish. Those maladies are easy to carry from one tank to another. Even if you can unequivically answer her question with "no", it is a question which any skilled aquarist should be asking. :)

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Re: Both the red food and fact that the fish with (none / 0) (#14)
by gupsup007 on Tue Feb 10, 2004 at 04:48:39 PM PST

Oh I hope I didn't sound rude with maggie, I honestly didn't mean to if I did.  

As far as I know I'm the only on that does anything with the fish and I did use the net in the infected tank and to catch the fry with, and it's the net that I'm using as a filter guard so the 3 adult guppies wont get sucked up into it.  but I had washed the net out with really hot (scalding) tap water. shouldn't the heat and chlorine have killed the demonic things?  the net has been the only thing that has been used in each tank.  but there is a problem with that.  I used the net to catch the fry but they don't have any problems nor are there any worms in their tank. their red areas are poo cause one was pooing and it was gone.  I did get these adults at the same shop and they were in the same tank as they always were.

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