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I'm lossing a guppy a day | 19 comments (19 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: I'm lossing a guppy a day (none / 0) (#11)
by PeterW on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 02:46:42 PM PST

I had yoyo loaches and guppies in the same tank.  There were no problems except an occasional grumpy loach taking a quick lunge at a guppy.  It was nothing ever serious and I only ever saw it at feeding time.

The yoyos might have been responsible for keeping the fry numbers down a little.  But there were certainly plenty of fry turning up in the tank while they were in there.  I never saw them chasing fry, unlike the guppies which semi-regularly went after them.

I put salt in my tanks.  Be sure to use aquarium salt, not table salt.  Lots of packaged table salts use 'Yellow Prussiate of Soda' as an anti-caking agent.  That is a fancy, consumer-friendly name for cyanide.  (BTW: would you buy something to eat if it listed "cyanide" in its ingredients?)

The cyanide in table salt is safe for humans, but absolutely lethal for fish.  I thought I read that iodine (in iodized salt) was lethal too.

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The jury may still be out on Yellow Prussiate (none / 0) (#13)
by unclescott on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 03:19:39 PM PST

of Soda. You are correct in wondering if the cyanide in it disassociates in the water. Chemist Charles Harrison can't prove it, but chooses not to be in a position to have to prove that it disassociates in the water, harming fry.

On the other hand, Wright Huntley, another old-timer in the hobby, in another salt discussion, has suggested

"Iodized salt is OK, but premium brands use silicates to make them free flowing. Those seem to clog gills, so use the cheap generic grocery brands that use "yellow prussiate of soda" instead. Rock salt, pickling salt and some kosher salts have no additives -- just pure sodium chloride. They are good, but harder to measure with the larger crystals, sometimes."

He has had no problems with fry dying with those salts.

As for iodide in the salt, a tiny bit is needed by living things. Guppies and virtually all livebearers are secondary freshwater fish, meaning that scientists feel that their ancestors "wayyyyyy back when" were marine fish. They should be tolerant of a little sodium chloride and iodine.

A friend and I, visiting an aquarist who had some fish with a glandular swelling under their gills, suggested that it might be "fish goiter". We recommended putting a little iodized salt in with the fish (which were killies accustomed to hard water). By the time we left a couple of hours later, the swelling on the fish was down and they were swimming normally.

I would suggest if that Yellow Prussiate of Soda was safe for humans (who will be running it through their digestive system), it is likely safe for fish. There are so many other salts available, they are certainly can be avoided.

If I needed it in a hurry and the only salt I had was an inexpensive bag of table salt with the Yellow Prussiate of Soda; I'd use it. :)

If the salt clumps, it is probably packaged without anything to make it free flowing. The salt from the 50 Lb. bag of cattle feed salt (probably sun dried sea salt and therefore likely containing useful trace elements) we picked up ages ago, cakes. So it is without additives. It only costs a few dollars from farm supply stores.

All the best!
u.s.

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