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Strange Female Behavior | 12 comments (12 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
The temp seems a little high (none / 0) (#1)
by GuppyAdict on Sun Jan 18, 2004 at 09:36:41 PM PST

Thanks to Uncle Scott and Guppygirl, I found out that the higher your water temp is in your tank, the less oxygen you have for your fish.

I don't think you can really rush them into delivering.  It takes approximately 28-30 days for them to deliver and since you bought them already pregnant, it's hard to determine when it will happen. So be patient.  



clear poop? (none / 1) (#2)
by guppygal84 on Mon Jan 19, 2004 at 11:13:22 PM PST

My guppy, who we all believe to be pregnant, also had some clear, yellow-ish poop several days ago.  It looked like egg white.  What could cause this?  Could it be stress or a disease or a worm? Right now i think she's had red poop.  I tried to look for worms... I don't see anything sticking out of her, but she doesn't want to hold still.

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Clear, stringy poop is usually a sign of (none / 0) (#4)
by blacina on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 05:47:43 AM PST

Internal infection ! ! !
Check out this link:
http://www.geocities.com/angiemcg2000/feces.html
After 3 treatments of Furan-2, all is well in the feces department in my tank.  May also try Maracyn-Maracyn2 combination.  Some in other groups have had success with them as well.
Tail-rot is a whole other issue...  Chain store fish are time bombs waiting to explode infection through your tank(s) - IMHO.  Nothing but the LFS for me from now on.  SHEESH!
Warm Regards,
B. Lacina

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just found out... (none / 0) (#5)
by guppygal84 on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 09:31:53 AM PST

just found out my beloved Henrietta is originally from Walmart! Ooooooh I could strangle my friend!

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Some of my people came over (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 02:02:12 PM PST

in steerage. ;)

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Hold-on tight Guppygal84 - you may be in for a (none / 0) (#6)
by blacina on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 01:37:09 PM PST

wild ride!  The recent attrition in my 55 gal was 70%.  I have learned some very important and difficult lessons, not to mention expensive, from my previous fish buying habits.  First, always quarantine new fish for 2 weeks, no exceptions.  Second, stringy, clear feces is a sign of bacterial infection and not parasites.  Third, what exhibits itself as columnaris on one fish may attack another fish as something completely different the next day, like dropsy.  Lastly, don't buy fish from any chain stores, unless you can quarantine the fish for an etended period and are physically, emotionally and financailly prepared to combat whatever ailment presents itself in the quarantined fish.  And have no doubt, something will...
I pray that your beloved guppiette hangs in there during the impending treatment(s).  You too for that matter.  Just remember, it's all about the love...
B. Lacina

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Hi NGB! (none / 0) (#8)
by unclescott on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 02:38:14 PM PST

As Red said, it sounds like you are doing a lot of things right. Those sound like wonderful homes for your guppies and the population densities should be great for fry survival.

As guppyal84 and blacina have mentioned, clear poop can be a sign of internal infection. B. lacina's link offers a great explanation as to why the droppings might be clear.

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If these are fairly recent purchases, you may indeed have done nothing wrong. The problem is that a lot of commercial fishes have been exposed (often before even getting to you local pet shops) to a number of diseases and parasites.

Some of the Helminthes (worms) may not show themselves for a couple of months. But they will show themselves if they are there and you will have to deal with them. :(
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By the way, I was startled to discover how many of these worms, especially Capillaria, but even Camallanus can infest PEOPLE if they eat raw or undercooked fish!!!!

Reason # 37 for not eating suchi. ;)

Also, one doesn't want to feed wormy culls to other fishes.
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Furan-2 and Maracyn-Maracyn2 are antibiotics, which should be effective against bacteria. If the problems persist, consider other possible culprits.

Another parasitic nominee is Hexamita and related beasties if those feces are white and the fish are getting emaciated. They have proven vulnerable to metroniadazole and di-metroniadazole which come in several brand names.

My concern is that your fish might have some sort of internal worm. Could the bulking up and slimming be related to the release of larval worms into the tank?

Antibiotics are rarely effective against them, although the antibiotics could limit secondary infections within the fish.

You mentioned that you had not seen anything protruding from the fish's vent. While Camallanus only does that when reproducing, it is possible that your fish could be afflicted by one of several species of Capillaria or even tapeworms, which virtually never are seen! Capillaria has a lot on it because not only can it continue through generations within a fish, but should the fish be consumer by birds or humans (who undercook the fish) they can also be parasitized by the worms and even pass it on through their waste products.

But no intermediate hosts are necessary for one fish to infect another.

A number of Anthelmintics are suggested for Capillaria. My sources mention levamisole or Piperazine. Burgess, Bailey and Excell also suggest isolating the fish for treatment. However since these beasties rarely show themselves and may also infest fry (in an early stage), I'd treat the tank. Those medicines are not hard on plants and even leave snails alone if the medicine is removed after a week. Also tank treatment targets the entire decor and accessories in the tank as well as the fish.

If you want to see what the relatively small Capillaria look like, do a google or AltaVista image search. They are another nematode. Also check out their eggs.

It is possible to I.D. their fairly distinctive eggs - taken from the feces - under a microscope, if you are experienced with that tool.

In a general sense, you will find even more info searching under HELMINTH or HELMINTH (parasitic worm related) diseases. Most treatments aimed at one will take out the others. So if you are treating for Capillaria, you are also treating for tapeworms, Camallanus, and flukes. The Anthelmintics may also be effective against Hexamita.

Flubendazol is one of the more water soluble Anthelmintics and may be especially useful because sick fish may not eat any food with a medication in it. Guppies, with the help of an Australian vet found a word de-wormer which was effective. Phry discovered that Discomed from Aquatronics (pink package) contains an anthelmintic.

On the Guppylog site, please also take a look at

Friday January 9th · More on the Camallanus Curse

Camallanus treatment By gupppies Sun Jan 4th, 2004 at 16:40:02 CST

Aerelynn- Camallanus update?  By Phry  Mon Dec 22nd, 2003 at 20:38:11 CST

Something is deffinatly wrong here..  
By Aerelynn  Mon Dec 8th, 2003 at 14:30:16 CST  

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf


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Can I catch Camallanus? (none / 0) (#9)
by guppygal84 on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 04:22:25 PM PST

Can i get Camallanus from the water?  I mean... I'm not eating my guppy or her feces :)  But is the parasite floating in the water?  I wash my hands afterwards... that's just scary!
(I knew there was a reason i didn't eat fish!)

On a completely unrelated note, my friend, who has a 50 gallon tank of mollys, platys, guppies, and swordtails has had an addition to the tank...  7 guppy fry... and his other fish must be pretty well fed because they don't chase the kiddos at all.

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As they say to the tourists, "Don't drink (none / 0) (#10)
by unclescott on Tue Jan 20, 2004 at 09:08:37 PM PST

the water." ;)

The couple of articles I skimmed referred to eating raw fish. If the organism could survive a chewing of the fish, free swimming larvae probably could be drunk.

Just be careful how you suck on that old siphon tube. :) That bucket is for spitting too. ;)

Maybe we can find the e-mail addy of one of these people writing these fish disease books and ask them.
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Thank you for your observation on your friend's tank. Obviously there are limits to how many fish can occupy a tank. But effectively feeding a bunch of livebearers can really raise those limits, :)

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Problem (none / 0) (#12)
by CoasterCarl on Sun Apr 25, 2004 at 12:43:12 PM PST

My guppies had this problem a few weeks ago.  Its very rare to win this fight, but we must try.  First off, raise the temp about 2*f or if it is already at 80 then don't.  Next, a bit of aquarium salt never hurt anyone, so just add a tiny bit to the water.  This sounds alot like Wasting Disease.  It is a variant of Fish Tuberculosis, which usually proves to be fatal.  We want to treat for internal parasites anyway, as this could also be the problem, but the constant slimming makes me want to say wasting disease.  The best thing to do here is to just treat as a common disease, as there is really no cure for it right now that is proven to work.  Add a bit of melafix to the tank, an=long with the aquarium salt.

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