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I read that Zebra Danios (none / 0) (#24)
by GuppyAdict on Mon Sep 08, 2003 at 05:38:50 PM PST

lay eggs versus's guppies who are livebearers.  Does this make it dangerous for both?  I noticed that the 2 danios I have constantly chase eachother around.  Should I get at least 2 more?  Will they hurt eachother?  How do I tell the males from females apart?  

On another note, my tank has been running for 4 days now with just my 2 tetra's in (they should be enough for my tank to cycle, right)and I was thinking about adding some java ferns in along with the plastic plants that I aready have.  When is it safe to add them into the tank?  How do I plant them?

Thanks a lot Scott!

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Keeping zebra danios and guppies together (none / 0) (#26)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 03:34:24 PM PST

should not be dangerous. As mentioned before, guppy fry and zebra eggs will probably be devoured. It would be hard to raise zebra fry in a tank with their parents. (The usual practice is to feed the parents well, let them make whoppee for a couple of days, pull the parents out and wait for the little whoppees to emerge from the gravel a couple of days later.)

I don't think that zebra danios are really schooling fish. (Please feel free to watch them and correct me.) Schooling fish tend to swim together in a loose formation, aiming pretty much in the same directions and changing course together.

Zebras hang out near each other, swimming and chasing on their own courses within the same vicinity. This is often described as shoaling. This should sound familiar in that guppies and other livebearers often shoal too.

Schooling and shoaling are useful devices when predators are around. When somebody big and hungry comes shopping, it is hard to get a fix on a specific individual among all those moving, scattering fish.

A pretty standard minimum for zebras, barbs, tetras and Corys - if you want to enjoy the phenomenon of shoaling - is to buy a no less than 6 fish OF THE SAME SPECIES. (Nuts, I'm spending your money again.) Their behavior really is different with a number of their compatriots. That is why schooling and shoaling fish look so neat in larger tanks. More comfortable behavior may also translate into stronger immune systems and equal healthier fish - if we keep our part of the bargain and continue with the 20-30% weekly water changes. :)

Single species tanks, especially with livebearers, are more productive of fry than multiple species tanks. Each species seems to recognize it's own fry and is more inclined to leave them alone. (Is recognition visually done? Is it by scent?)

Once in a while a livebearer species has such large fry that the other fish let them be. I had a tank of those blue/turquoise rainbow fish (Mel. lucastris) and some of those big honking Mexican goodieds - the Ilyodon furcidens. Both species seem to appreciate some current in the tank and some veggie material in their diet, they were similar sized and more interested in the pecking order within their own species group, so they were good companion fishes.

The livebearer fry were born at a husky 5/8th of an inch. Even after they had shed their trophotaeniae, the placenta-like connections by which the mother nourished the fry, the baby furcidens were far too big to be eaten by the 2.5-3 inch rainbows and they simply ignored them.

Guppy fry don't have that advantage. In fact, in many places in nature, guppy males are mouth sized for a terrific number of predators and female guppies outnumber males. :(

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Java ferns, are among (none / 0) (#25)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 02:43:49 PM PST

my very favorite plants. They do well in light, but can get along and even grow with light levels less than what many other plants would tolerate. There are a couple of horticultural forms around. The Windelov form is showing up at club auctions more and more.

There are also a couple of different leaf forms among the wild forms too. This shouldn't be a surprise in that the genus Microsorium actually contains a small number of species. Google image searches will probably show you what I mean.

Just place them in the tank. Most people would recommend just setting it in a tank and letting those little dark rootlets take hold.

If you want to get fancy, you can loosely rubber band the rhizome to a piece of driftood or a rock. The rhizome is that substantial part of the plant which the leaves connect to. In a month or so those little rootlets growing from the rhyzome will have grabbed onto the rock or driftwood and you can use a comparatively clean pair of scissors to cut off the rubber band(s).

Those are very attractive attached to such an object. I have a piece of driftwood completely lined with the narrow leaved form of Java fern. There may be another such branch of Java ferns in my living room tank known as "The Green Heck."

A plant importer mentioned to me that Java ferns often grow attached to logs near water. In the rainy/flood season they may be completely submerged.

As true ferns, they will develop spores when grown out of water. Spores are formed only on the emersed(air and wet soil grown) plant (though the ferns can be kept in wet plastic bags a long time) and spores are serious work to culture, However they will reproduce vegetatively in the water - little plants will grow off of the big ones.

Given opportunity (some light, minimal water movement, occasional water changes) they can grow pretty big. Legendary Chicagoland aquarist George Maier gave me my first two Java ferns. In a year or two one completely filled up a ten gallon tank, the other a 20 gallon tank!

By the way, they will even tolerate some salt in the tank. I find that amazing in that true ferns and salt usually don't go well together.

As my job seasonally got very intense, the fish tanks would suffer neglect. (To wit: I terribly neglected water changes.) The two ferns, named Frick and Frack by a buddy of mine, reacted very differently. Frick just up and died - from lack of nutrients? Funky water in it's new 20?

Frack reacted differently in it's old 20. It fell apart/ morphed into dozens, maybe a hundred or more little Java ferns. Many of those "Fracklings" found their way all over the southern suburbs of Chicagoland.

They make a nice mix with plastic plants too. A plant purist once sniffed, "If I was going to keep plastic plants, I might as well keep plastic fish too."

However plastic plants look so realistic today (ok, not those dreadful purple and hot pink ones) that you can mix and match and keep people guessing as to what you actually have in your tanks ;)  Even those big, professional aquariums like Shedd do that once in a while.

All the best!
Uncle

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I truly enjoy... (none / 0) (#27)
by GuppyAdict on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 03:56:27 PM PST

reading your comments.  They are all like short stories, which are very informative.

As for the Java ferns, how many should I buy to get started (remember, I'm a beginner)?  And when would it be safe to add them to my tank? I had to restart my tank and it has been up and running for 5 days now with just 2 tetra's.  By the way, I am very happy to say that my water is no longer cloudy.  In fact, it is very clear.  

Do you think it would be too taky to add live plants in with my plastic ones?  Do I just place them in a corner floating near the gravel and wait for them to take root?  


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You should be able to (none / 0) (#28)
by unclescott on Tue Sep 09, 2003 at 04:57:23 PM PST

add any Java ferns (actually South East Asian ferns of the genus Microsorium, that area is a biological region) whenever you feel like it. Certainly if your tank is clearing, it's a fine time to add them.

Plants can also help when the tank is a little funky. Faster growing bunch or floating plants would obviously absorb more if the lighting was there.

The only time I would hold back on adding them is if the water smells of chlorine (Mondays in some towns around here - the water department people must come back from the weekend and really add a slug of the stuff).

Those plants are so tough, I have even put them down on the floor in a corner when they were covered with that hated hair algae. Water changes help, but the algae will probably go away with out it in a few months. The Java fern hangs in there.

How many has to do with your wallet, tank size and vision of what you want to do. It is not a fast grower, so you could put several young ones in a 10 gallon tank and you wouldn't have to transplant any for quite a while.

By the way, I hear of people tossing out extra Java fern and Java moss! Incredible! I plead with them to bring them to club meetings or post a "wanted good home for a Java fern" on lists like this. Standard priority mail postage with the fern in a box (better a small styro inside) will do the trick.

Someday I want to set up a larger tank with better lighting and a CO2 unit and put some of both the "Java" plants in there. I have seen Java moss (and Cryptocoryns)do remarkable things in a 125 with good lighting and a CO2 unit. Just because we get away with modest facilities for these planys doesn't mean they couldn't grow much more quickly.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you can arrange a live plant, plastic combo go for it.

I can't draw on a check book, so am always impressed by the beauty of what others do in an aquarium.

There are some wonderful plant sites on the net. Maybe start with the AAGA site and browse and link, browse and link.

Also, sometimes general aquarium clubs do pretty neat things with their aquarium beautiful classes - and those are usually short term projects. As an example, see http://aquariumhobbyist.com/tctfs/show.html

I had a chance to visit that event a couple of weekends ago. Neat people, beautiful fish and tanks in a relatively small show.

They have their auction this weekend. I have no moollah, no time and no tank space for new arrivals. It's wise not to go there under those circumstances. ;)

All the best!
Scott D.

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