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Need help with a green tank | 11 comments (11 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
water (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by parttimer on Sun Aug 03, 2003 at 11:16:11 PM PST

scott, do you have local water? I had the same problem before, you can do water changes every day until it clears up or check into a water purification system, it helped me but costly. the local water is bad here and guppygirl is right about phosphates.

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I suspect that's it. (none / 0) (#3)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon Aug 04, 2003 at 03:25:28 AM PST

Yep, local water, and the tanks do get lots of light.

The odd thing is, it's just the one tank.

I'll keep doing daily water changes then.  Have to be careful not to suck up the fry though.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Just the one tank (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by guppygirl on Mon Aug 04, 2003 at 10:39:44 AM PST

It's possible that the Phosphate got into your local water about the time you saw the problem.

When you did a 90% water change, you probably just added more.

Can you take the bulbs out of the lights above this tank for a while?

Just a thought.

Keep us updated on the babies, OK? Grams :-)

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Could be, I'm sure. (none / 0) (#7)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon Aug 04, 2003 at 04:33:44 PM PST

But, usually when I do a water change, I top off the other tanks - none of them are green.

I suspect that I overfed this tank, and that led to the green guys taking off.

Can't take the lights out - it's a 4 footer and covers several tanks, not just this one.  :-(  I might try black contact paper or something.

babies seem fine!  I'm doing a 50% change daily for a while.

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Babies (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by guppygirl on Tue Aug 05, 2003 at 11:08:54 AM PST

I'm glad the babies seem fine. I tend to worry.:-)

Try the contact paper, or even regular dark construction paper, it might speed the clean up with the water changes.

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Good idea. (none / 0) (#9)
by Scott Lockwood on Tue Aug 05, 2003 at 03:56:35 PM PST

Yeah, construction paper - that was what I meant.  :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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remember (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by parttimer on Mon Aug 04, 2003 at 04:20:57 AM PST

stay out of the light. you can try algae fix, it worked on mine. I found it at fostersmith.

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Argh. (none / 0) (#5)
by Scott Lockwood on Mon Aug 04, 2003 at 04:25:02 AM PST

That will be difficult.  I have banks of flourecent lights.

Still, as soon as the fry are large enough to catch, I can just bleach it.  :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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Green Tank (none / 1) (#10)
by unclescott on Sun Aug 10, 2003 at 05:54:53 AM PST

That greenwater must be awfully frustrating if you are trying to keep regular tabs on the fry.

On the other hand, guppies are browsers. The new born fry will look for food in that stuff between feedings. By itself, it would be pretty thin soup, but it may be a useful dietary supplement.

Some aquarists have even isolated tattered or sick fish in greenwater as a hospital tank without adding medicines. One commentator suggested the greenwater had a certain antiseptic quality, maybe because these wee beasties were absorbing waste materials throught their photosynthesis.

One of the aquarium plant hobby publications claimed that nitrites and ammonia measurements were negligible in g.w. For being unsightly, it isn't much of a threat to the guppies unless it all dies suddenly.

Greenwater (take a 10X or 30X kiddie microscope and check it out) is a mixed bunch of stuff, often protists like Euglena and Paramecium. They tend to feed on even smaller zooplankton and phytoplankton, but the green in the water is at least in part because even though they move around, they also have chlorophyll cells which show green.

A lot of aquarists who want to raise very small mouthed fry or food cultures such as daphnia or something like rotifers, covet greenwater - which one can grow "all the time, except when one needs it."

Guppygirl has a very useful suggestion in limiting the light. Here is a dilemma for you. If it dies real fast, it will probably settle out. You want to get it siphoned out as soon as possible so that it doesn't rot, drawing oxygen out of the water.

Greenwater growth is stimulated by water changes, by the way. What works to limit or get rid of conventional algaes just stimulates greenwater to grow more. When I get a good greenwater tank going, I can remove 40-50% and it will replace itself in a day or two.

You may discover that this time of year  that the angle of the sun has "moved" north. Probably some time in the day - when you are at work - that green tank is getting some pretty good rays.

I believe that Sunlight is crucial to some cultures. My 20 gallon greenwater tank (used as a grow-out tank variously for livebearers, rainbows and killies) is reliable for 9-10 months a year. This time of the year, that tank goes pale. Fortunately (for the daphnia cultures) a rather crowded ten gallon tank in the northwest corner (with few plants to compete with the greenwater) catches the sun better and now looks like the Chicago River on St. Patrick's Day.

That might explain why only one of your tanks went green. It also suggests a safe solution.

A moderate limiting of the light might be to find out which window the sun could be shining through and cover it. As the greenwater gradually clears, pop a whole bunch of hornwort, Najas or water sprite in the tank to out compete the greenwater.

Bleaching the tank is a little bit like swatting a fly with a Buick. (Never use anything larger than a Subaru for fly swatting.)

There are also flocculants which cause items in suspension to settle out. I know they can be used in some cases in aquaria. Which flocculants and how they are used is out of my league. They also sound expensive.

You noted overfeeding as a possible cause. I think you are correct that it can be a factor, but if you have a few small snails in there on clean up duty, that may be better for the fry than underfeeding them.

Parttimer mentioned a product called Algae Fix. I am not familiar with that particular algacide, but a very sobering FAMA article several years ago analyzed several aquarium and pond "medicines" designed to get rid of algae. Many of them worked but had a chemical which seemed to accompany a striking number of birth defects among fry conceived and born in those tank.

Please be sparing in using algacides. If you use one, change out the water as frequently as you can. Better yet, do a complete water change, clean out the filter and seed with 50-60% water and an established filter from another tank.

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Thank you! (none / 0) (#11)
by Scott Lockwood on Sun Aug 10, 2003 at 01:48:08 PM PST

That was excellent! I should have mentioned this before, but two days ago the tank cleared. The smaller water changes kept getting the tank lighter and lighter, and I kept finding 'pockets' of waste that I hadn't found before. I think getting all the excess waste out of the tank, combined with reducing the population was what cleared it up. :-)

"I love to visit PetSmart's Tropical Fish Dept. to see what new diseases are around today." -- inkmaker
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