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Something is deffinatly wrong here... | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

That's it! (none / 0) (#9)
by Aerelynn on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 12:22:49 AM PST

That's the exact page I was using for reference on the Levasole. Problem is, no one in town sells it. I haven't checked for the Flubendazole yet, is that something a LFS commonly carries? How much does it normally run? The guy Charles from Inkmkr.com said that he sells Levasole but it's like $15!! It's well worth it as I could possibly lose around $100 of fish, and my time, and heartache.

Update on female: I have been watching her closely to make sure the worms haven't plugged her up. She's still pooin, tho it is almost clear. She's quite a bit more slender now then she was at 5am this morning. (no sleep for mamma)

And that's funny about the females not reproducing because of the worms, I fished a new batch of about 8 out of their tank this morning. And even if they can't reproduce after the treatment, they will all always have a home with me till old age rears it's ugly head and spirits them away.

So should I go ahead and take the gravel out and start to boil it? Or should I just wait until I get the proper worm treatment? I'm taking out the plants and baby grass along with one of the bigger rocks atm, just so there's better water flow to get the feces to the filter. I was thinking of taking out the gravel, incase not all my fish were infected, that way maybe i can keep it in just the few that already have it.

Also, I wanted to try to get a clear answer from anyone that may have seen this, or knows for sure what Camellanus looks like. The things on my fish are not flexible, like you'd think a worm would look like. Imagine a thin, red, porcupine needle. There are (currently)2 sticking out of her, almost like a V. That's what these look like, so I'm still not sure exactly what it is, I can't find reference to something like that here, or any other fish desease search I've done. Anyone know for sure about this? Will she be safe if I treat with one of the above drugs, even if it's not what she has?

Gah, this is all so FRUSTRATING!!! Thank you all for the advice so far, and for any given after this, I really appreciate it VERY much!

Aerelynn

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Boy, these are gross! (none / 0) (#10)
by unclescott on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 04:17:42 AM PST

If it looked like little fingerlike things sticking out of the vent and then they weren't there, that is a pretty good description of camallanus. The fingers are only the end(s) of the worm(s). My image of nematodes is not that, but that's what they are.

Heck there are good guy nematodes we use for fish food! (Microworms for instance.)

You know what, I would treat the fry you have taken out of that tank. They may be infected too, but not critically so. Normally I don't go for treating the tank just because it is there, but guppies are such browsers, I wonder what there infection rate is just nosing around droppings. (It is so hard talking about illness and their causes without raising these nasty topics.)

In further reading, Jungle's Internal Parasite Guard, Pepso food, and Tetra's Anti-Parasite Medicated flakes are also suggested. Garlic in the flakes may help prevent these disorders.

I would still bank on a few days with the flubendazol or levamsole. If you ordered the latter go with it. If you haven't ordered it yet, I would order the flubendazol. It dissolves a little better, seems to be less expensive and may have wider application in medication.

Please let me know if Charles acknowledges your order, if you already sent it to him, by tomorrow.

I did a google image search because I wanted to see if what I was envisioning was what you described. See if the third image matches up with your experience. Click on that fish and it will give you a couple other images.

http://images.google.com/images?q=camallanus&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

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Wow! (none / 0) (#11)
by Aerelynn on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 05:53:09 AM PST

That is EXACTLY what they look like, tho on a smaller scale =) Thin, red, unmoving, unbending splinters. Very scarry =( I'm going to talk to the owner of my favorite LFS tomorrow, he wasn't in today and the counter girl is a complete dope. I'm going to treat all three tanks in hopes that it completly exterminates those awful awful things. I've already taken out the plants and gravel from main tank, and will boil them tomorrow while I'm taking the gravel out of the fry tank to boil after that. Then I'm going to spread em out and let them air dry till this weekend, and after about 2 treatments from the Flu stuff I'm going to reintroduce the gravel and plants if allowed. I'm going to have to turn off the filter at night in the main tank as there is nothing to slow down the current in the tank and I don't want to over exaust the poor things as they can't be feeling too good as it is anyway. I will put a small air stone in there just to keep things going a little. I'm hoping they will all come thru this ok, I did noticed that even tho their bellies are a little swollen, that they look nothing like those fish in those pictures! That's at least something to be thankful for =)

Thanks for the image link US and the advice! Charles did get back to me about shipping that stuff, but I haven't put in an order for it yet. I will pick up some of that Flu stuff from my LFS tomorrow morning and begin treatment. Cheaper is always better, as long as it's just as effective of course! Anyway...now that I know what's going on and what I've got to do about it, I think I can sleep a little easier.

And with that, I'm going to bed! =D

wish me luck with the treatments!

Aerelynn

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GL!!! (none / 0) (#13)
by red illuzion on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 04:25:02 PM PST

gl aerelynn with the treatment.

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LUCK ! :) (none / 0) (#12)
by unclescott on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 10:51:50 AM PST

And my perhaps naive question: can one boil plastic plants or will that cause them to fall apart? If they disassemble in the heat, leave them in the tank when it is treated.

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I think so (none / 0) (#14)
by Aerelynn on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 06:23:28 PM PST

I boiled them before, just not for as long as the rocks.

Aerelynn

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I had the very same worms (none / 0) (#15)
by gupppies on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 10:27:17 PM PST

in one of my female guppies a couple of months ago. When I went to my LFS, they gave me some Fluke and tapeworm tablets containing Praziquantel. The female died unfortunately, but a couple of months down the track, none of my other fish appear to have been infected. Although after reading through this post, I will have a very close look at them again.

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That's good news though that none of the others (none / 0) (#16)
by unclescott on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 10:44:41 PM PST

in your tank have showed evidence of the disease, gupppies!

I wonder if that female died because the camallanus worms died within her body and took her with. Yeeeeccccch!

I have hear of someone actually removing dead worms sticking out from a fish using tiny forceps.

The closest to that I ever got was removal of sibling fry from throats and artificial respiration for an over adventurous swordtail.

What you did though, probably has saved the rest of the guppies in your tank.

Sounding like the same record over and over again, this is another reason why one wants to quarrantine new fish. A lot of the commercially produced guppies will be exposed to camellanus on the far, at the wholesaler's or in the LFS.

It's sort of like guppylog members going to work or school or the mall (or all of the above) and daring flu germs not to get them. ;)

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Hmm (none / 0) (#17)
by Aerelynn on Tue Dec 09, 2003 at 11:39:06 PM PST

No one here seems to sell either of those medications. Where's a good place to find them?

Aerelynn

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The levamisole or flubendazole ? (none / 0) (#18)
by unclescott on Wed Dec 10, 2003 at 01:31:15 AM PST

Look up the page in this series of comments. :0

Go for the flubendazole for the reasons mentioned above.

I'm beginning to feel like a shill for this gentleman. :)

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf

However,

If you do order from him, I don't mind it if you mention my recommendation. He has been quite kind to me and others I know.

The work he has put in testing these anthelmintics is not a part of the day job. If he makes a few bucks after spending a ton of time researching it, that is not a bad thing. And the hobby is a more hopeful place for his (and several other people's) efforts.

He also has an article in progress which he will donate to one of the hobby specialty group publications. I hope he goes on to submit something to one of the aquarium slicks.

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Finally! (none / 0) (#19)
by Aerelynn on Wed Dec 10, 2003 at 04:59:20 AM PST

Finally got back to Charles about the lavimasole, he should be sending it within the next day or two. Thanks for the information U.S, I will be sure to keep everyone updated on if the treatment works!

Aerelynn

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