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Tank Size | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
John, a six foot tank sounds really neat... (none / 0) (#2)
by uncle scott on Sat Oct 18, 2003 at 06:28:11 PM PST

However, having bought a long tank from someone who set it up for dividers, they really mar the beauty of such a tank. Let the tank be wonderful as a whole.

A divider or dividers can spoil most tanks. Also, many aquarium fish, guppies included, have annoying way of jumping over or wiggling under dividers and spawning with the wrong party or devouring fry. (I'd swear they teleport around the fishroom anyway!)

As G.G. mentioned, there are tons of ways other tanks can be used with guppies. I had an old library table and a lab table (before the computer displaced the tanks) which could take 4 and 3 ten gallon tanks placed sideways. They were easily serviced, a hanging light could be dropped over them and 10 gallon tanks are about as cheap as they come.

People really into raising small fishes often set up multi-tiered stands of tens placed sideways.

For an example see:

http://www.ifga.org/_guppy_store/gsframe.htm

Click on DOUG WHITE. Notice the easily cleaned and mopped floor. (Some have a drain too!)

He also has a heater to the right side of the room. I don't know how safe his heater is.

I have an electric heater specifically sold to me by a contractor. The electrical stuff is fully enclosed in a tube of an oil which is heated as needed. The heat radiates from that pretty well.

One can spill water on that electric heater and live to tell about. Guess how I know. ;)

Probably should hang a small (computer?) fan from the ceiling to circulate the air cold air up and warm air down.

In my next life I will set up a dream fishroom. It will have an automatic water changing system, GFI sockets every 4 feet and 4 feet off the floor. In addition to a sink and drain right there, I will have a zillion long 20 gallon tanks for plants and fast growing guppies, killies, rainbows, livebearers and the odd anabandid of chiclett that wanders in.
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When you ask, "Can we have suckers in the tank..." with them...? What fish are you referring to?


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Tank size and babies (none / 0) (#3)
by John on Sun Oct 19, 2003 at 02:08:13 AM PST

Ok the reason the babies are in the 10 g tank in breeding nets is because the filter that is in the tank is a aquaclear 150 http://www.worldpetstore.com/worldpets/aquaclear150.html
And I didn't want the babies sucked up and turned to fish paste, I will be getting a new type of filter in a few days.

I'm not trying to breed a particular strain YET, or doing this to make money, just as hobby and something my kids will enjoy doing.  

I will be culling the guppies down when they get bigger to walking fish food ( walking fish are real pigs 20 neon tetras only last 4 days )  keeping the best for breeding and again culling the "rejects".

I have 4 tanks ( 2 ) 10 Gallon Tanks ( 1 )  25 Gallon Tank ( 1 ) 80 Gallon Tank
All the tanks have the aquaclear filters on them.
I do want to setup a multi-tank setup but until we find a house with more space I have to live with just a few tanks that's why I was thinking the 6 ft. ( or 2 ).

The suckers my better ½ ( Rose ) was referring to are little 1-1 1/2 inch sucking "?catfish?" that eat off / clean the sides of the tank. Rose is looking to place the sucker fish in with the babies but is unsure whether they will harm the babies..


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Hey John, (none / 0) (#4)
by guppygirl on Sun Oct 19, 2003 at 12:29:22 PM PST

I'm sorry if I seemed a little off-based on my first post.  
Now that I/we have more information, I think we can help you better.

That's one of the problems with virtual help, we can't see what your current setup is, unless we are told.  

And unfortunately, we can't read minds to know what your plans are with your fish.

The new filter you mentioned is a great idea.

If the suckerfish are algae eaters, light green/tan with a stripe down the middle of the abdomen, I'm pretty sure they will not hurt the babies....YET.

As they get older, they can get very territorial, (usually just with each other), but you never know.

It sounds like your "walking fish"? will keep your guppy population under control. I think you are the first person that I've met that had an automatic culling method already in place.

So that's why my comments about looking for homes was off.

If you want to go with the six foot, and are only putting guppies and suckers into it, then I would go with a divider if I wanted to keep the males seperate from the females.  If I didn't care, I'd
go without.

Then I'd let my kids pick out a mommy and daddy that they like, and put them together in a little
breeder tank in their rooms.  

But that's just me.

Anyway, hoped this helped, and I hope you understand that we can only answer you given the information that you posted.
:-)

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Involving the kids is neat John! (none / 0) (#5)
by unclescott on Sun Oct 19, 2003 at 02:43:29 PM PST

Aside from the shared fun in keeping the guppies, you've already set yourself up for success in explaining some of the technical aspects of the birds and the bees. (I've concluded that I will never succeed in explaining or even comprehending all of the emotional aspects.)

You sound pretty familiar with the technical side of the hobby and the kids would be pretty safe with fish. I remember reading cautionary tales of kids trying to do water changes around electrical outlets and so on. We took those stories very seriously. Actually the worst side effect among my friends was when some filter floss got flushed - well part way - and that stunt was pulled by an, ahem, adult. ;)

Are the Aquaclear filters a Hagen line with pretty good water movement? I can see why you would keep fry segregated. I have heard of people taking an additional long extension tube and drilling all sorts of small holes in them to dissipate the pull of the current. I don't know if that would work, even if an elbo was put in the drilled tube and it was run the distance of the tank side.

Your fry are probably best served by a sponge filter. If you have a box filter in the closet, those work well with fry. Maybe use it with a full bed of floss and the box filter top removed. I've even seen people stick one of those little u.g. filters for bowls in a bowl of gravel - an inexpensive way to recycle old gear but maybe not as efficient as a sponge filter - with it's surfaces and rotifer cultures all over.

Would your sucker fish be Otocinclus? Those are great algae cleaners and safe with most fry. (Not eggs though if you work with egg layers.)

The drawback to the Otocinclus (there are a bunch of "Otos" although we usually only see a species or two imported) is that they are usually wild fish and I found out to my sorrow they may bring catfish diseases with them. Rather than quarantine a batch given to me as a present several years ago, I plunked them in a community tank and soon after lost a number of very large Corys and some 8 year old bristlenose "plecos" Also, as you probably know, new ones can be touchy, maybe because they are so hungry.

You may be very familiar with this, but if they clean all the algae off, pick up a zuccini, blanch it or quickly zap it in the microwave. Cut it in slices and freeze what you don't immediately need. Most suckermouths or Loricariids do well on zuccini if you don't want to purchase the usual sinking veggie tabs.

At any rate the Otocinclus are benign around fry where (as per Guppy Girl's warning) the so called Chinese algae eaters (a.k.a. Thai slime suckers) will be trouble.

It isn't standard procedure, but I've seen guppies being bred in the same tank where dwarf bristlenose "plecos" (Ancistris species) were also being bred. They occupy largely different nitches from the guppies. Baby bristlenoses may even be added to guppies with the assumption that they will clean up uneater baby brine shrimp. I would add them just because they are cool little fish. And the guppies will browse the algae tabs.

Are your walking fish the "climbing perch" Anabas testudineus? I recall an interesting article somewhere where experimenters had them climbing little ascending walkways. They have proportionately big mouths.

An irrevocably final culling fish is handy.

If the species references don't ring a bell, do a quick AltaVista image search.

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addicted to guppies (none / 0) (#6)
by John on Wed Oct 22, 2003 at 03:23:16 AM PST

The walking fish are standard old Mexican walking fish, ( "3" axolotls )
And the sucker fish rose is wanting were The Chinese Algae Eaters ( slyly called only a sucking cat in Australia ) identified by

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=21&pCatId=1564

thanks for the advise. We were given a Brochis Cory Cat.  Our LFS says they need to be with at least 2 of their own, and they will not eat the babies is that correct.

I have found the aquaclear filters great they do displace a lot of water and in smaller tanks are perfect at removing the fish waste I use 1 of the aqua clear filters with a UG filter in 1 tank and have noticed that tank stays cleaner longer. Also I add a pouch of bio super concentrate with the media in the aquaclear filter which keeps the nitrite levels in check reducing the water changes.

In my breeding tank I use a aquaclear 300 with a extended pipe to 4 mm before the base of the tank so it will suck all fish waste and excess food into the filter ( tank has no gravel ) Also uses a pouch of bio super concentrate with the media in the aquaclear filter.

I don't let my children do the water changes not because of the water and power thing more so because 2 tanks share my computer desk.

Thanks Again
John

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So your walking fish is that Mexican (none / 0) (#7)
by unclescott on Wed Oct 22, 2003 at 03:07:01 PM PST

salamander! I wasn't sure what your walking fish was. I had hoped it wasn't one of the Clarias catfish - a.k.a. the walking catfish now feral in Florida which has even caused a flat tire while ambling across a road.

We aquarists more frequently make that mistake with the eel like Caecilians. I think some shops assume that those escape artists are fish too. "If it lives in water ..."

"Sucking catfish" in Australia! Ah well, in the U.S. we call another catfish a bala shark and cyrinids (relatives of the carps and minnows and "Chinese" algae eaters) red tailed sharks!

Your Brochis will likely be one of three kinds of Brochus and like their close relatives the Corydorus, they enjoy the company of others of their same species. Speaking of names games, sometimes they are even called the giant Cory or the giant green Cory.

I would prefer the "Mother Of All Corydorys." ;)

Your shop was being moderate in suggestioning a pair of them. More and more I'm hearing from people, who enjoy schooling fish, that six of a Cory or tetra species is a good start. (Ca-ching!)

You know, I'm quite sure (but a lurker might not), that bottom feeding catfish don't eat fish droppings. While they will usually leave free swimming fry alone, fish eggs and maybe even fry with a large yoke sack, are relished. It is our responsibility to make sure they are provided for.

When I moonlit at a pet shop in a previous life, a guy came up to me and asked for a couple of "Chinese algae eaters" I asked him why he needed them.

He replied that he wanted them to remove a little algae on the sides of his tank.

I responded. "No, you don't need them."

"NO?"

The problems associated with that fish were explained.

"Well, what should I do about the algae?"

It was suggested that he pull the shade behind the tank in the morning and go to his local grocery store to buy one of those soapless pot scrubbers. (The same ones which can be unraveled to make low light plant substitute fry shelters.)

Your guppies might even eat some of the algae scrapped off. Then do a little gravel vacuuming. We can never make too many daily partial water changes. :)

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